"Wow so my Bavarian friend will have that in her SR -- that's her birthday!
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This time around I`ve only had ONE hit from Tr Saturn squaring n Pluto, but it happened around my birthday, so it is part of my SR. Thank you very much!
SR Saturn 9°44 Cap
n Pluto 9°04 Libra
Well maybe hopefully (grasping for straws here
) it is not as bad because it is not within the Solar Return chart, but just an overlay square. Yeah I am reaching I know. lol
Oh will this be in next years SR too? With an orb? Though your SR might be more in risk of having Saturn-Pluto-conjunction?
Well yeah naturally it occurs in my next Solar Return - so seems I cannot catch a break in those next 2 years.
SR Saturn 19°49 Cap
Sr Pluto 21°57 Cap
with Mars on the ASC exact
ASC 19°35 Scorpio
Mars 19°08 Scorpio
and Moon is going to be angular on the MC, albeit with a bit of orb
MC 8°51 Virgo
Moon 12°32 Virgo (hmm, hmm, conjunct P`s Mars-Jupiter on 11-10 Virgo, well pr Moon conjunct his Mars was really fun, but not sure about that one. lol But seems he is more strongly written into my chart next year through this?)
or maybe not, who knows if we even going to see each other next year?
Oh I just see I have a Grand trine in earth in 2020, albeit with asteroids
Moon 12°32 Virgo in 10th house
Vesta 12°37 Taurus in 6th house
Ceres 12°24 Cap in 2nd house.
Actually I like that, that looks nicely grounded, earthy, even nurturing, and definitely dramafree. lol
Maybe a lot of earthy energy, with SAturn conjunct Pluto in Cap as well.
Yeah Saturn-Pluto is never fun, but it is also not always as horrible as it is pictured to be.
For exampel in my case Tr Saturn was precisely squaring n Pluto on 12th december, which was the exact date when he was recording and publishing the podcast in which he was going on and on about how that performance of "Last christmas" came about. LOL
Well it made me feel a bit exposed for sure, but cannot say it was a bad experience.
(curiously that same day Tr Saturn was also squaring his wife`s Sun). I am getting more and more the feeling that Saturn really is about manifesting things, and making them clear, in a very sober matter of fact way of course, but without a real possiblity to avoid those or hide from them. And it really depends what you are going to see if you look into a mirror and if you can stand it. If you have messed up big time, it will be thrown back into your face with real repercussions. I just messed up a little in this instance, I guess. lol Or maybe I even did something right, who knows?
Saturn is not a joy of course, and I often would like to go around him, because he is so demanding (mostly demanding being real with yourself, which can really suck at times), but in some way I guess it might even be a good thing. Well in squares or oppositions to personal planets I usually do not like him all that much, because fire signs just do not like being held back, limited, slowed down, being told to "go into your room and think about what you`ve done and if you figured it out/ are ready to face it up/ apologize, you can join us again" (that was of course my mom`s Voice, who btw has her Saturn on 9 Libra, EXACT on my Pluto
believe me I have heard that a lot, to the poiint that I told her as a kid: "I have already apologized so often and apparently did it wrong again, what kind of value does my apology even has anymore to you?" - yeah I always like to think of me as a nice and easy to deal with kid, but actually I wasn`t all the time. lol Anyway my mom usually really wanted me to think about it, not just say an apology to get back into the family-routine again, but really figure out why or how I had messed up. Hmm now that I think of it I have my own constant SAturn around me here, in the shape of my mom, so I guess, in a ways that is just not all that new to me.)
I hope your bavarian friend gets back to you, but I am sure she will. Saturn does make us somtimes go into isolation, hibernation mode. WEll apparently not me. I seem to have an increased urge to be more social/ outgoing then. I remember how much my socializing picked up just the time Saturn was crossing my ASC and every book said I would isolate myself even more and so on. And the opposite happened. I was connecting to more people than I have ever done in all my life.
and actually the first time I saw BOOH Tr Saturn was right in between squaring my MC and conjunct my Venus, partile to both.
Well Tr Saturn was precisely conjunct my Venus on the november concert of the musical tenors, you know with the moment afterwards which sort of left me speechless for some reason I cannot even pinpoint why. But then again Saturn sometimes can render people mute, maybe that is what happened to me.
But all in all Saturn-Pluto is just so exhausting. Pluto intensifies whatever it touches, brings it to the extremes, so it is like a Saturn on steroids, oh well yes, thanks. AS if my Saturn in 8th house, dispositing Venus needed some more sticks in my behind.
On the other hand Saturn is the handle of my bucket, a singleton in the Western hemisphere, which mostly deals with "other people/ relating", so maybe that is really the connector in my chart, through which I connect to others (albeit in Cancer in 8th house you can imagine how that works. lol Not all that well)
Nah I do not know.
" I wish I could push them off your composite moon. They should pick on someone their own size.
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yes, exactly. We are just too big for them.
LOL
Nah seriously, this is so serious looking. Eww, Phew, and then the DRaco conjunction is on 14 Libra I believe, partile conjunct our tropical composite Pluto. OH isn`t that great? More Saturn-Pluto. LOL
BTW P`s Pluto is widely (4 degrees) square my Saturn.
Anyway yes, does not look like fun, maybe we won`t even talk to each other anymore by then. (or we`ll stick to each other like for dear life, there is not much middle ground there).
Interestingly his and his wife`s composite has an exact Saturn-Pluto-conjunction, definitely the sticking part there I guess (albeit not sure how much fun it is for him, with that conjunction squaring his Venus exactly, but then again his Venus is resonating with Saturn-Pluto, so I guess it is just how he expects love and relationships to be, actually now that I think of it there is a LOT of Saturn-Pluto-symbolism in relationships for him, even more than in my chart which is saying something! But he has Venus in Capricorn square Pluto; Venus also trines Saturn, which is conjunct DESC, and for good measure Pluto is in the 7th house, the intercepted part; Venus is alsso the ruler of the intercepted part of the 7th house, so he basically has the co-ruler of 7th house in Capricorn, trine Saturn and square Pluto. lol Well I can keep up with the Venus-symbolism; also in Cappy, also square Pluto; however not in terms of the 7th house. Mine has its ruler in Sagittarius conjunct Sun - I definitely expect relationships to be more fun than he does. lol Well maybe he does, too, after all Mercury is the main ruler of his DESC and that one is in Sagittarius, squaring his Mars and Jupiter; Funny enough we have a 5th - 7th house exchange. What he expects in terms of his 7th house, comes up in my 5t house: ruler in Cappy square Pluto; while his 5th house resembles my 7th house profile: ruler of 5th house in Sagittarius conjunct Sun; albeit also square Saturn, but oh well, he cannot do without Saturn I suppose).
sorry I got distracted.
"Well I trust you that Mr Italy is a Sag moon, though Cap moons can be funny and outgoing..."
I actually do not know. HOwever what is interesting is that however it is. his pr Moon is near his natal Moon at the moment.
Actually the conjunction of pr Moon to natal Moon must have taken place in june or so last year. This was the time when he started preparing and auditioning for the role he is playing now, which is quite a career-leap I think.
EVen more important I think was the birth of his daughter 3 months prior though (but at that time the progressed Moon was not yet conjunct natal Moon, no matter when he was born that day). But who knows? Maybe at that time pr Moon entered Capricorn?
"Maybe drop some hints about astrology on his social media and see if he randomly offers his birth time?
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Lol I could just ask him. I Mean it`s not like I have never done that before.
Nah, don`t intend to do that.
Sometimes reality is being overestimated. lol )