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Post by lumina on Feb 28, 2019 6:19:56 GMT
Just thought I`d share this information from an article "Eclipses are somewhat rare occurrences simply due to the large number of factors that have to be just right in order for them to take place. While the astrological meaning of Eclipses is not the focus of this article, you can gain insight by remembering the additional factors beyond the normal New and Full Moon that go into their manifestation. In addition to the normal New or Full Moon, you also have… it occurring conjunct (or, at least, close to) a Node a close conjunction in Declination (a Parallel aspect)." astrologyclub.org/eclipses-and-the-moons-nodes/and an article about parallels/ contraprallels (though astrologers have different views on how important those are, some do not use them at all, some say they are of minor or secondary influence, some treat them equally with conjunctions and oppositions etc. like usually astrologers cannot really agree on this) aliceportman.com/declinations/kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/declinations/EDIT Personally I find those, especially those that are not in longitudinal aspect, making a lot of sense in my natal, especially the Mercury-Venus parallel (which is also oob), and maybe even more so the Moon-Uranus-(Juno)-parallel, which is at the same time contraparallel Pluto, definitely describes quite well my tendency to fluctuate between rationalization of feelings and detachment/ liberation and then again that strong emotional intensity and feelings of entanglement (the Pluto-factor to my Moon or any intensity factor to my Moon is not showing up in other ways in my natal, but it`s of course there and interestingly it reflects my parents Sun signs - Scorpio and Aquarius) |
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Post by Ava on Feb 28, 2019 13:32:33 GMT
Holy smokes!!! That is like my "dream" article! So many graphic illustrations...I could spend hours on that, maybe I can finally build working models in my mind, that I can refer back to. I'm a visual learner and without that knowledge, much of astrology hasn't really clicked for me yet. Thank you! |
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Post by lumina on Feb 28, 2019 13:50:20 GMT
Ava yes, I remember that I ahd the same reaction. And images that I can really grasp in my limited brain. lol I thought that you might like it, too, for the graphic illustrations. It helped me certainly understand more about the eclipses, and the working together of longitude and declination. And the nodes.
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Post by lumina on Feb 28, 2019 13:52:15 GMT
I don`t have an eclipse, but I have Mars in conjunction and parallel to Neptune, so if they had been visible at my birth, they would have been really close together in the sky, like becoming one object or something like that.
Oh and personally I find anular eclipses most stunning to view.
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Post by glaucus on Feb 28, 2019 19:05:57 GMT
I have Mercury and Venus in both conjunction and parallel.
I have Saturn and Neptune in both opposition and contraparallel.
My Mercury-Venus parallel aspect my Saturn-Neptune contraparallel.
Therefore, I have Mercury,Venus,Saturn,and Neptune in planetary synchronization in Declination.
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Post by lumina on Feb 28, 2019 19:16:09 GMT
glaucus Do you relate? Well Mercury-Venus and Saturn-Neptune are aspecting each other in longitudes as well, but how about the cross connection? Is it something you can see in yourself? (Personally I do think that I can see your Mercury-Saturn as well as Mercury-Neptune coming across in the way you are writing on here, with the thoroughness as well as the intuitive understanding, but how do you feel about it?)
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Post by glaucus on Feb 28, 2019 19:18:25 GMT
My Mercury-Venus and Saturn-Neptune are not aspecting each other in longitudes.
They are only aspecting each other in Declination.
Yes...I can relate.
I have been looking at Declination since 2000 after getting into Magi Astrology which uses Declination extensively.
They even look at Declination midpoints.
Declination and Right Ascension go together because they are the Equatorial Coordinates.
Declination is Equatorial Latitude, and Right Ascension is Equatorial Longitude.
They're the coordinates the astronomers mainly use.
Right Ascension seems to be the most overlooked and dismissed coordinate in Astrology, and that's a point that the owner of the astrologyclub.org had made.
Celestial objects can be in aspect outside ecliptic longitude (the zodiac coordinate) in other coordinates
That's why I created the thread, Astronomy For Astrologers, 3 Primary Coordinate Systems
the first post included stuff from astrologyclub.org, and I posted the stuff about the Right Ascension and followed up with my personal comment on it
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Post by Ava on Feb 28, 2019 19:55:36 GMT
Therefore, I have Mercury,Venus,Saturn,and Neptune in planetary synchronization in Declination. If you allow a 1°30 orb, I have this, too... 19°56' S Mercury 19°24' S Venus 20°17' N Saturn 20°50' S Neptune |
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Post by Ava on Feb 28, 2019 19:59:59 GMT
I don`t have an eclipse, but I have Mars in conjunction and parallel to Neptune, so if they had been visible at my birth, they would have been really close together in the sky, like becoming one object or something like that. That's amazing. Well mine are further apart (or "farther apart"? I forget English) but still Venus is conjunct Neptune (widely) and parallel to Neptune (but with 1°26 orb). I thought Kannon used 1°30 orb but I can't find that on the page you linked above. My declination issues are the out-of-bounds Mars and moon at 0°31 S. |
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Post by glaucus on Feb 28, 2019 20:36:47 GMT
I can relate to all these aspects in some ways but not all due to Neptune and Saturn being opposite themes in some ways.
MERCURY-SATURN Aspects -Organizes and formats information in orderly arrangements. (Often blazingly quick thinkers once the framework is estab-lished; cf. a spreadsheet.) Methodical, logical, often routinized thinking processes. Skeptical, scrutinizing (distrustful). Obsti-nate in the absence of new evidence. Hesitant until oriented, then decisive, e.g., learning starts slowly, then catch up quickly. Gift-ed with considerable mental power, but easily discouraged (doubting). Treats life seriously. Needs to learn how to play.
MERCURY-NEPTUNE Aspects - Hyper-responsive to environment and perceptions, extreme sensitivity to sensory impressions (may include psychism). Magnifies trivialities, fixates on particulars (often perfectionists); thus, often uncanny memories. Loves puzzle- or problem-solving, often in fantasy modelling; gets much pleasure and psychologi-cal relief from fantasied problem solving. However, commonly avoids own real problems by obsessing over fantasy problems. Dreamers, story-tellers, can enthuse-enroll others and convince someone of almost anything. Many adapt readily to systematized thought-modes of math and science.
VENUS-SATURN Aspects - Work, duty, devotion give especial pleasure. Also, various re-strictions (even hardships) in love. Work (with an eye to service) is inherently gratifying; ordinary pleasures may be delayed or sacrificed for responsibilities. Many seem comfortable alone (unpartnered), though there is rarely any sexual restraint (often quite the opposite). Childhood hardship or deprivation often exists (physical or emotional) that shapes adult patterns; manymove far from their birthplace to restart their lives. Sober, re-sponsible. Willing to pragmatically sacrifice (even sell-out) whatever they need to, for something more important to them.
VENUS-NEPTUNE Aspects- Idealistic, future-looking, longs to be enchanted. Can become jaded, disillusioned, and cynical from repeated hurtful betrayals. Emotions run strong. Most sees beauty in people and things, thus has blind spots (especially in romance). Trusting, naturally con-fident of others’ goodness (poor discrimination in selecting friends). Good-hearted, caretakes others, devoted friends, ro-mantic, humanitarian. Natural people-readers (when not person-ally involved), natural psychologists.
I also have a t-square Moon square Saturn-Neptune opposition, and I can relate to both Moon square Saturn and Moon square Neptune in some ways but not all.
MOON-SATURN Aspects- Proud, self-made people. Dynamic, hard-working, persistent, driving themselves; also encourages growth in others (expects others to do something worthy of their abilities). Usually emo-tionally reserved, private. A definite tendency (often uncon-scious) to seek total control of situations & relationships. Parent-themed issues (nourishment-deprivation, etc.) to work through. When the emotions are too burdened: Pessimistic, distrustful, little self-confidence, passive-aggressive, feeling inferior, anxie-ty, depression. Many enter religious or social work to symboli-cally sacrifice themselves for others.
MOON-NEPTUNE Aspects- Sensitive – often too much! Tunes into others on an emotional (psychic?) level: can be deeply understanding, genuinely sympa-thetic, but also emotionally (psychically) vulnerable, easily wounded, with abiding fears of rejection. Self-defense through avoidance (non-confrontation) & slamming shut senses & good sense. When wounded, withdraws & introverts (often with ex-cessive rumination, imagination working overtime, worry, moodiness). Drawn to the imaginative, surrealistic, and creative.
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Post by glaucus on Feb 28, 2019 20:47:42 GMT
Most Declination-using Astrologers use no more than 1 degree orb.
Magi Astrologers use no more than 1.2 degrees
The declinations for my Mercury,Venus,Saturn,Neptune:
Mercury - 18'24 S
Venus - 18'10 S
Neptune - 18'57 S
Saturn - 19'02 N
Mercury pll Venus - '13
Mercury pll Neptune - '33
Mercury cpl Saturn - '38
Venus pll Neptune - '46
Venus cpl Saturn - '52
Saturn cpl Neptune - '05
all planets are in aspect to each other within a 1 degree orb
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Post by lumina on Feb 28, 2019 20:54:45 GMT
My Mercury-Venus and Saturn-Neptune are not aspecting each other in longitudes. They are only aspecting each other in Declination. Hmm, but you said in the above post they are in conjunction and opposition? I thought you were referring to the longitudes then. |
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Post by lumina on Feb 28, 2019 20:57:27 GMT
Ava I wouldn`t use an orb greater than 1 degree for declinations. I only remember Kannon referring to that orb as well, so I don´t know where you read that about 1°30. Or at least I hae not read it.
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Post by glaucus on Feb 28, 2019 21:31:39 GMT
I told that Mercury and Venus are in both conjunction and parallel and that Saturn and Neptune are in both opposition and contraparallel.
I told that Mercury-Venus parallel aspect Saturn-Neptune contraparallel in the Declination and that the 4 planets are in synchronization.
I never mentioned anything about Mercury-Venus aspecting Saturn-Neptune in ecliptic longitude.
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Post by Ava on Feb 28, 2019 21:42:56 GMT
I only remember Kannon referring to that orb as well, so I don´t know where you read that about 1°30. Or at least I hae not read it. That's the orb I thought Kannon used but my brain goes haywire sometimes. I tried finding the orb he uses on the link you posted above but couldn't locate it in the article. Edit: Geez, this? Kannon again: "As to orbs, my extensive experience using declinations in every natal chart and rectification shows me that outer planets like Neptune are still within orb of a calculated point like the Asc at 1*40'. I have chart cases in which independently offered information from the client plus lack of other aspect explanations confirms this. This means that inner planets are still in effective aspect closer to 2*. Obviously they are stronger when within 1*, just as longitude aspects are stronger when within 3*, but still aspects at the wider orb." www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40735*scratching my head* I'm fine with limiting it to 1°. I drink black coffee and like strong astrology, too. |
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Post by lumina on Feb 28, 2019 22:13:28 GMT
I told that Mercury and Venus are in both conjunction and parallel and that Saturn and Neptune are in both opposition and contraparallel. I told that Mercury-Venus parallel aspect Saturn-Neptune contraparallel in the Declination and that the 4 planets are in synchronization. I never mentioned anything about Mercury-Venus aspecting Saturn-Neptune in ecliptic longitude. That is not what I meant either, just that you had a Mercury-Venus in longitude and a Saturn-Neptune in longitude, as far as I understood it from your post. I must have expressed that confusingly. Sorry. |
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Post by lumina on Feb 28, 2019 22:18:14 GMT
I drink black coffee and like strong astrology, too. LOL Yes, I like strong astrology, too (and drink coffee with milk.  ) Well charles Jayne even suggested a sliding scale, which would cut the orb at higher declination at around 10 minutes or so (because planets seem to spend longer time in higher declinations and are faster nearer to 0°00) - I am not really following that either, the 1 degree orb seems to work for me, maybe if there are several parallels, it can be a sliding parallel like in the example Alice Portman gave, but 1 degree gives me a feeling of being on the safe side. lol 2° imo is reaching and probably a sign the rectification wasn`t quite as good as he thought. |
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