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Post by vaartist6 on Feb 20, 2019 17:27:28 GMT
So...there is this Pisces that has caught my eye at work, and it's so complicated. Long story short, I am in the middle of a divorce. This Pisces was not someone I noticed til I had already made the decision to end my marriage. He seemed to always use my name when saying good morning (no one else did), and he had given me a work article to read, then e-mailed me that he wanted to hear my thoughts on it when I was done, but no rush. We continue to work together more frequently (and he is mostly my superior), and there is an interesting vibe about him. We are both very precise in language. A couple of times, when I was discussing some personal things with a coworker, including my upcoming divorce, he seemed to appear out of nowhere like he was ease-dropping. He did something silly a couple weeks ago and came over to my desk just to ask a very easy question about a client we were working on together, then when I answered, he smiled at me, then walked back to his office. His Pisces smile is so disarming, but overall he is very compartmentalized, and I don't know whether to take his attention seriously. Any insight would be appreciated. His chart details are as follows: P.S. This is a hypothetical noon chart...I don't have a birth-time...yet
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Post by Ava on Feb 20, 2019 18:20:39 GMT
Hi vaartist6 , Welcome, again. It's easy to see how he might come off as friendly, with that stellium in Sagittarius, and his sun on the Venus-Jupiter midpoint in Pisces. If your sun is completing a t-square with his Pisces and Sag planets, it's probably one reason he is gravitating towards you. He has an exact Saturn-Chiron opposition, with Chiron in Gemini, so that points to some trouble with communication. His forward-thinking Mercury in Aries is squared by Cap Neptune, so he may actually appreciate outside "help" or confirmation and reiteration of what he was already thinking. Mercury square Neptune can think oddly; Cap Neptune is more of a team player because Cap is trying to build up a whole system. So, it's easy to see why he'd seek outside opinions and especially appreciate your precision in language. Sag moon is a wild card so I don't know whether to guess that he is just intuiting things (Pisces planets, with Scorpio Pluto on the south node) or actually eavesdropping, when he knows things you didn't tell him. In my experience Sag Saturn can take a long time to settle down, but once they do, they're in it for the long haul. So I would just imagine that he is a friendly guy like most Pisces suns, who is also flirtatious like a Sag moon, and then maybe under all that he does really like you and see potential. I mean, despite some "playboy" markers there, I believe Sag Saturn is capable of a serious relationship, where they are highly trustworthy (not assuming you are thinking that far in advance, but just giving my opinion, since some charts do seem to indicate someone who can never quite settle down). I do think his natal Venus square Uranus might prove a little nerve-wracking to Virgo sensitivities, or exciting and enchanting at first, but irritating and unsustainable over time. 'Just an amateur making some guesses. I hope others chime in.
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Post by vaartist6 on Feb 20, 2019 18:27:32 GMT
Thank you, @ava Should I post the synastry chart? To be honest, I have not looked much at it, given that I am still trying to determine his intentions.
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Post by Ava on Feb 20, 2019 18:41:56 GMT
If you like! No pressure, but it may give more clues.
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Post by vaartist6 on Feb 20, 2019 18:58:20 GMT
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Post by Ava on Feb 20, 2019 19:52:00 GMT
Moon trine moon is really nice for compatibility, and your Venus trines his Sag stellium, more or less. Of course Venus trine Mars is a classic attraction aspect, but it's referred to so often I think people might take it for granted, not realizing just how true it is. I have my eye on his Jupiter opposing your Mars, as that can also magnify (Jupiter) more physical desires (Mars). In my experience the chemistry can be strong with Jupiter/Mars in aspect, but it's not something I see referred to all that much. Though the orbs are wide, I think Venus trine Saturn going both ways is an indication of a sort of steady, grounded rapport. Your Mercury opposing his sun does help explain why he seeks your opinions. Actually I have this with my husband and it probably accounts for much of our mental chemistry. His Neptune on your MC seems to perfectly match the fact that you're there at work (Cap MC) and he's the Pisces (personifying Neptune), somewhat your superior. So possibly his kindness towards you can translate to work advantages, not implying anything shady, just the way connections are formed. Also with his Neptune on your MC, he might be seeing you more totally, the way Neptune sees, with a bit of clairvoyance sometimes but also imagination. At any rate it's nice to see the chart-connection translates to a literal connection. Furthermore it looks like he has Neptune on his Jupiter/Pluto midpoint, so there is some extra potency there. It's easy to see how your Virgo Mars might be attracted to that. Just some first impressions...again, hope you get more insights here.
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Post by geminiblues on Feb 20, 2019 21:03:03 GMT
Just a couple of off the cuff thoughts on his natal...
That Saturn Moon Mars clump there in Sagittarius... Sag moon is a rather happy-go-lucky moon. But it's conjunct both Mars and Saturn. I read that as someone who *really* values self autonomy. Pisces sun and Venus suggest an ego and values that seek to dissolve into the ocean of the... group mind? God? Something greater than oneself. So, he wants to be a part of the whole, but maintain self autonomy. That seems to be the Crux of those squares. Perhaps an explanation for the incident you described?
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Post by vaartist6 on Feb 20, 2019 22:19:05 GMT
Just a couple of off the cuff thoughts on his natal... That Saturn Moon Mars clump there in Sagittarius... Sag moon is a rather happy-go-lucky moon. But it's conjunct both Mars and Saturn. I read that as someone who *really* values self autonomy. Pisces sun and Venus suggest an ego and values that seek to dissolve into the ocean of the... group mind? God? Something greater than oneself. So, he wants to be a part of the whole, but maintain self autonomy. That seems to be the Crux of those squares. Perhaps an explanation for the incident you described? geminiblues - True, he seems to hover on the edge of the more social gatherings at work, there, but not in the midst. His confidence seems to shine more when he is educating or lecturing on a topic he has the upper hand on, which strikes me as very Sagittarius (my mom has a stellium in Sag so I am very familiar with this energy). I guess, I mainly want to determine if there is something between us worth pursuing and trying to gauge if he is open to it... Astrology has proven a good analytical tool in the past, so I am hoping it can encourage, or help me kill this fascination in my mind. Limbo is a lousy place to be stuck, LOL.
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Post by vaartist6 on Feb 22, 2019 1:27:35 GMT
Moon trine moon is really nice for compatibility, and your Venus trines his Sag stellium, more or less. Of course Venus trine Mars is a classic attraction aspect, but it's referred to so often I think people might take it for granted, not realizing just how true it is. I have my eye on his Jupiter opposing your Mars, as that can also magnify (Jupiter) more physical desires (Mars). In my experience the chemistry can be strong with Jupiter/Mars in aspect, but it's not something I see referred to all that much. Though the orbs are wide, I think Venus trine Saturn going both ways is an indication of a sort of steady, grounded rapport. Your Mercury opposing his sun does help explain why he seeks your opinions. Actually I have this with my husband and it probably accounts for much of our mental chemistry. His Neptune on your MC seems to perfectly match the fact that you're there at work (Cap MC) and he's the Pisces (personifying Neptune), somewhat your superior. So possibly his kindness towards you can translate to work advantages, not implying anything shady, just the way connections are formed. Also with his Neptune on your MC, he might be seeing you more totally, the way Neptune sees, with a bit of clairvoyance sometimes but also imagination. At any rate it's nice to see the chart-connection translates to a literal connection. Furthermore it looks like he has Neptune on his Jupiter/Pluto midpoint, so there is some extra potency there. It's easy to see how your Virgo Mars might be attracted to that. Just some first impressions...again, hope you get more insights here. @ava - Thank you for your impressions The chemistry feels tangible to me, and I did look up the aspect you mention and found this: neptunesauraastrology.wordpress.com/tag/mars-in-aspect-to-jupiter-synastry/ Could be interesting IF we ever get that far, LOL. The work bit keeps getting more interesting...so , we are both accountants and work at a CPA firm. The office was recently divided into "teams" for admin purposes, and Fish is one of my team leaders. He, and the "2nd in command" lady at the office, who is on the other "team", had sat me down last week, with her saying that they had realized I was more capable and smart than when I had been hired in, and she wanted me to work more with her, assisting on certain clients she had not had any help with. I'm supposed to keep quiet about it. Then today, I get sat down again, with both Fish and this lady, giving me some constructive feedback on my lack of time management skills, which to be honest, *really* do need help They both emphasize that this is not meant to come across as punishing commentary, given my capability they both want to push me, and Fish says something along the lines of "if the coach is correcting you, it's a good thing cause they know you can do better, versus if the coach ignores you, that is a bad thing". Now, I almost wonder if the latter part of your analysis, about the work advantages and Neptune on the MC is the true nature of this relationship...maybe he is more mentoring...did I misread his attention? Damn :/ I mean, it would still be good, but I'd feel foolish...
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Post by Ava on Feb 22, 2019 12:45:09 GMT
Hi vaartist6Sounded to me like he likes you as a person, not just as an employee to mentor (though mentoring of course implies more caring than just teaching). And if he had anything to do with assigning you a new role, because he's taking close notice of you...well I wouldn't be surprised if simple attraction was one factor there. The transiting sun was just hitting your Mars-Jupiter opposition as we were talking about it...funny that you were called in for another meeting then. Almost does seem a bit like he had an ulterior motive, and it's interesting that the focus was on something Virgo Mars usually does well (as far as I know): time management. I would just guess that might stoke a bit of a Mars reaction in some people in those circumstances (defensiveness, resentment). But it sounds like you took it in stride. It'll be interesting to see what happens around his birthday. Just after that, the sun is squaring his Mars conjunct your Uranus. Could be something interesting going on then. I missed that you both have moon conjunct Mars, more or less. That similarity alone might make you more reactive with each other, especially with fire sign moons. Hmmm
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Post by vaartist6 on Feb 23, 2019 4:12:01 GMT
Hi vaartist6 Sounded to me like he likes you as a person, not just as an employee to mentor (though mentoring of course implies more caring than just teaching). And if he had anything to do with assigning you a new role, because he's taking close notice of you...well I wouldn't be surprised if simple attraction was one factor there. The transiting sun was just hitting your Mars-Jupiter opposition as we were talking about it...funny that you were called in for another meeting then. Almost does seem a bit like he had an ulterior motive, and it's interesting that the focus was on something Virgo Mars usually does well (as far as I know): time management. I would just guess that might stoke a bit of a Mars reaction in some people in those circumstances (defensiveness, resentment). But it sounds like you took it in stride. It'll be interesting to see what happens around his birthday. Just after that, the sun is squaring his Mars conjunct your Uranus. Could be something interesting going on then. I missed that you both have moon conjunct Mars, more or less. That similarity alone might make you more reactive with each other, especially with fire sign moons. Hmmm Hi Ava Thank you for continuing to analyze this I feel like the new work stuff is multi-faceted, although I do *totally* struggle with time management, at least on the work front. I've had it criticized before, at other jobs too, but no one made it seem like they believed I was in a position to improve, or that their was another goal in sight that required it. I do work better when I tackle one thing at a time and that is what I've focused on doing since that meeting. I normally would get defensive, but somehow I was able to calmly see the purpose of their critique, and not let it ruffle my feathers, so to speak. I've had this funny feeling since he seemed interested in helping me expand my knowledge that perhaps on top of the mental connection, he also would be more comfortable starting something between us if I was more of an equal, work-wise, instead of a subordinate. I have my CPA exams passed, the degree, and all I need is the remaining experience hours to get my license, which will honestly make me the 4th most certified person at the firm. He has all the experience hours, and degree, but has not passed all the exams yet. I will keep my eyes open around his birthday week, and I'm curious to see if anything new occurs on the interaction front. Everyone, including his own father who works at the firm, seem to find him stuffy and kinda old-fashioned. He writes with a fountain pen if that gives you any indication. On a funny note, I was invited for drinks with my other female team leader and the main boss tonight, and I found out they are both aware of my pending divorce. If they are, I wonder if he knows too. He's not my "type", physically, but my Virgo Mars would love to be all over him, LOL
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Post by Ava on Feb 23, 2019 15:08:28 GMT
vaartist6It's so funny, I was going to say, "Maybe they'll invite you out for drinks"...but I thought it was a possibility for his birthday. Well at least now I know that's something that happens in the office, so my imagination wasn't too far off. I think what you described..."no one made it seem like they believed I was in a position to improve"...matches this Jupiter-Mars synastry opposition so perfectly. Not to pretend like I know anything for sure, but the symbolism lines up. He's encouraging you towards expansion and having faith (Pisces hallmark) that it can be done, you can do it. WHEN you do it, as you are now (focused on one thing at a time), it may have the effect of making him feel better (Jupiter/good feelings). So it's a nice see-saw. Probably the opposition's negative energy would come into play if he ever became too demanding and your Mars was like a needle deflating a balloon (Jupiter), with Virgo logic, ie "this cannot just keep expanding forever, and here's exactly why." All things considered he might value that, though; constructive criticism might work out well going both ways. This upcoming new moon in Pisces just after his birthday, I suppose it squares your composite sun (is that in Sag, near his stellium there?) and may indicate some kind of new start with you two...even if nothing officially romantic happens, I wouldn't be surprised if there is suddenly a communication breakthrough. Transiting Mercury is stationary direct @ 29 Pisces during his birthday week, conjunct his natal Mercury, so I'd imagine he might be more expressive than usual, and you'll get more of an idea of what's happening in his mind. That will be in his solar return, so it could just be a year in which he speaks with more assurance and from a deeper place. Just saying, if you want to know what's going on in his mind, this upcoming year looks like a good time to learn that.
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Post by vaartist6 on Feb 24, 2019 1:09:51 GMT
vaartist6 It's so funny, I was going to say, "Maybe they'll invite you out for drinks"...but I thought it was a possibility for his birthday. Well at least now I know that's something that happens in the office, so my imagination wasn't too far off. I think what you described..."no one made it seem like they believed I was in a position to improve"...matches this Jupiter-Mars synastry opposition so perfectly. Not to pretend like I know anything for sure, but the symbolism lines up. He's encouraging you towards expansion and having faith (Pisces hallmark) that it can be done, you can do it. WHEN you do it, as you are now (focused on one thing at a time), it may have the effect of making him feel better (Jupiter/good feelings). So it's a nice see-saw. Probably the opposition's negative energy would come into play if he ever became too demanding and your Mars was like a needle deflating a balloon (Jupiter), with Virgo logic, ie "this cannot just keep expanding forever, and here's exactly why." All things considered he might value that, though; constructive criticism might work out well going both ways. This upcoming new moon in Pisces just after his birthday, I suppose it squares your composite sun (is that in Sag, near his stellium there?) and may indicate some kind of new start with you two...even if nothing officially romantic happens, I wouldn't be surprised if there is suddenly a communication breakthrough. Transiting Mercury is stationary direct @ 29 Pisces during his birthday week, conjunct his natal Mercury, so I'd imagine he might be more expressive than usual, and you'll get more of an idea of what's happening in his mind. That will be in his solar return, so it could just be a year in which he speaks with more assurance and from a deeper place. Just saying, if you want to know what's going on in his mind, this upcoming year looks like a good time to learn that. Ha, you are spot on intuitively, Ava ! Yes, clearly I'm cracking through the office social wall, and funny thing is, without knowing I had been invited (I think), he had declined (or as the boss said "wimped out") of coming out last night for drinks... I kinda hope it gets back to him that I did go out with the other two people. I literally spent like 80% of my workday with him today, learning how to put together a basic business tax return for a client I had done a year-end project for earlier. It was so neat learning from him, and he seemed to enjoy when the I knew the answers to the tax questions he quizzed me on during the day. I was sitting right across from him at his desk, close enough to see the stubble on his face..::sighs:: I'm an artist/poet as well as an accountant, so my artist mind was studying him, like one studies a subject they are about to paint or draw...I did actually sketch him, from the photo on the firm website, back in October, before anything had really happened beyond the hellos. I think I could do a much better job now, having spent more time in closer contact. He's so business-like, even when you see the twinge of a smile on one side of his mouth. I've heard Pisces are telepathic enough to read what you are thinking about them if you are focused on looking at them...I keep putting that to the test, LOL. Here is our composite (using midpoint method, though I know *very* little about these charts):
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 9:57:34 GMT
I do not know about charts at all so I cannot help in that way but I am a tripple Pisces (Sun, Moon, Mercury ) so you can maybe ask me some more straight forward questions if you wish, not sure what you may have trouble with now, as in which part is troubling you now
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Post by vaartist6 on Feb 24, 2019 12:49:01 GMT
I do not know about charts at all so I cannot help in that way but I am a tripple Pisces (Sun, Moon, Mercury ) so you can maybe ask me some more straight forward questions if you wish, not sure what you may have trouble with now, as in which part is troubling you now Thank you, @intuitivefish! I suppose the most challenging thing about this particular Pisces is trying to read his actions, sometimes he seems to come closer and then backs away for a period. He's extremely hard to read, and I was trying to decide whether he is interested. How can you tell a Pisces is interested in someone?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 13:45:57 GMT
I did read what you wrote and keep in mind these are just my opinions. To me some of these things do sound like him being polite but also acting out of liking you as a person although some of this to me seems less romantic and more on a friend basis. Keep in mind Pisces (Sun) can be extremely flirty without even trying this is because we first evaluate the situation before saying anything and things we say/do are more sensual and deep because it comes from the soul and can easily be missinterpreted as flirting. Although with that Sag part of him it could very well be just fun. A lot a lot of what a Pisces does is to see reactions of people and again evaluate. Most Pisces are not quick to judge but take their time.
I would say the invite for drinks was just that,his way to evaluate how his team/you interacts in social occasions. A lot of times when at drinks with more than 1 person you can see me just letting people talk for half the time, standing back and evaluating the people and their characters. People watching is what we love to do.
I do have fire in my chart too (Aries in Venus and Mars) so many times I go for who I like and tell them/ show them I like them A Pisces will show you over a longer period of time, will test you, will see how you react and in the end tell you/risk it. So what you need to do is try and do the same take your time and evaluate if how he is acting is continual or sporadic. He would be more interested in you personally to show you he likes you and less work related so keep an eye out for that. We can be shy but less in the adult years and it is masked more actually with over talking or not talking at all He will also look you in the eyes and talk to YOU not the whole group and not just talk to a room.
There is a guy where I work who is a Pisces too and recently we both found out we have our birthdays on the same day, it was funny but see, next day he brought me a chocolate which to some may seem like flirting or idk.. but I know as a Pisces he tried to be polite and sweet with no hidden intentions. ( Funny enough he too like your Fishy friend works in accounting)
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Post by vaartist6 on Feb 24, 2019 15:40:06 GMT
I did read what you wrote and keep in mind these are just my opinions. To me some of these things do sound like him being polite but also acting out of liking you as a person although some of this to me seems less romantic and more on a friend basis. Keep in mind Pisces (Sun) can be extremely flirty without even trying this is because we first evaluate the situation before saying anything and things we say/do are more sensual and deep because it comes from the soul and can easily be missinterpreted as flirting. Although with that Sag part of him it could very well be just fun. A lot a lot of what a Pisces does is to see reactions of people and again evaluate. Most Pisces are not quick to judge but take their time. I would say the invite for drinks was just that,his way to evaluate how his team/you interacts in social occasions. A lot of times when at drinks with more than 1 person you can see me just letting people talk for half the time, standing back and evaluating the people and their characters. People watching is what we love to do. I do have fire in my chart too (Aries in Venus and Mars) so many times I go for who I like and tell them/ show them I like them A Pisces will show you over a longer period of time, will test you, will see how you react and in the end tell you/risk it. So what you need to do is try and do the same take your time and evaluate if how he is acting is continual or sporadic. He would be more interested in you personally to show you he likes you and less work related so keep an eye out for that. We can be shy but less in the adult years and it is masked more actually with over talking or not talking at all He will also look you in the eyes and talk to YOU not the whole group and not just talk to a room. There is a guy where I work who is a Pisces too and recently we both found out we have our birthdays on the same day, it was funny but see, next day he brought me a chocolate which to some may seem like flirting or idk.. but I know as a Pisces he tried to be polite and sweet with no hidden intentions. ( Funny enough he too like your Fishy friend works in accounting) I appreciate your feedback, @intuitivefish Just to clarify a couple things: the invite for drinks came from another colleague, who was meeting up with the "main boss", also, the Fish is one of the main boss' sons, and the one who will likely take over the firm when his dad retires. Fish does look me straight in the eyes when he talks to me (he has amazing eyes). I'm curious to evaluate him as well, as I am reluctant to enter another relationship after my divorce, but will keep an open mind (burned by a Gemini ex who is unstable).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 16:25:34 GMT
oh okay, sorry about that.
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Post by vaartist6 on Feb 24, 2019 16:30:39 GMT
oh okay, sorry about that. Why are you sorry? I was not upset, just clarifying
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 16:32:55 GMT
oh okay, sorry about that. Why are you sorry? I was not upset, just clarifying Just a natural way of saying sorry I missread... did not think you were upset. See me being a polite Pisces
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