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Post by lumina on Feb 20, 2019 12:00:16 GMT
Just been thinking about this, as the Dracos are created from the Nodes, and the Nodes are related to Sun, Moon and Earth, I think those transits should/ could manifest in a very actual, physical, sense, too. In an article something like that was also mentioned: "What is the Node then? Why is it important? The Nodes are astronomically, and in reality, the two points on the plane of the ecliptic that the Moon crosses on its daily orbit. If the ecliptic is where events happen, then those Nodal points are of importance as an indicator of trends in the world around us." heavenlyhermit.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-draconic-chart-path-of-purpose.html"Draconic charts are sensitive to draconic transits, which indicate the moment in which our unconscious tendencies manifest themselves, very often in the form of major events that alter the course of our lives." www.astrologicalassociation.com/students/draconic_astrology.phpMaybe we just overlooked those in event charts and synastries, or they might not bring any results, but I think it might be worth having at least a look at major events, their draco charts to our draco natals (though I tend to focus on conjunction and possibly opposition within maybe 1 degree, or actually taking the actual degree into account and the neighbour-degrees, it is easier this way. lol)
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Post by Ava on Feb 20, 2019 13:07:40 GMT
I've believed that for years -- draconic transits are highly significant. I remember worrying about what would happen when the transiting NN in Leo hit transiting draconic Pluto in Leo, and I'm pretty sure I mentioned this to people in advance. Then this happened: 23.26 Leo NN 23.26 Leo transiting draconic Pluto
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Post by lumina on Feb 20, 2019 13:24:39 GMT
Ava yes I remember you mentioning that in advance, it was really bone-chilling, and seeing the exactness is again downright frightening. Was the tropical Moon opposing that? If so, it might have acted as a trigger. also in medieval and mundane astrology Moon is related to "the people", meaning a crowd or a nation or just simply people in public.
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Post by lumina on Feb 20, 2019 13:38:10 GMT
Interestingly just about 3 weeks after that awful thing happened, I`ve had a nice surprise one morning when P was mailing me (to me out of the blue) asking if I was going to be at a certain concert, and there was a bit of banter over mail. This was the event chart back then virtuel diceJust thought I`d be sharing some nice event chart. or a chart of a nice event, as I feel it is especially difficult today to shake off the impressions of the "Crash-course" we had at school today (basically witness reports from accidents, usually deadly, from the police, firemen, doctors and today a father, to make pupils more sensitive to the topic of accidents that could be avoided with reasonable driving; it is always difficult to bear that, but today it was extremely challenging, and of course bringing up the memories from many years ago to the surface when a friend of mine or aquaintance died in a motorcycle crash, it`s just that the images are there all over again, like frozen in time, you know when I realized that it was really him in the newspaper, truth be granted I denied it when my mom told me, and then there was actually a blank in my memory and I only remember that my brother was asking all at once why I was screaming. Or the talks with his girlfriend from back then who was my oldest friend, or that bizarre surreal funeral. Well it was a funeral, but it felt so bizarre and surreal right to the fact of several policemen, his colleagues, passing out during it, or someone playing "Amazing Grace", it just seemed all so, I don`t know. like having up ended in the wrong kind of movie, where nothing makes sense. I mean it`s been 17 years ago and as they say life goes on, and we weren`t even THAT close, but those courses here at school for the prevention of such accidents, just bring it all up again, but this year even worse than the other years. Interestingly the others, who had been telling their stories, were mentioning the same, how it had felt so much closer and more intense today, than even yesterday. Weird.) But well anyway, trying to get out of that mood and back into the daily life gain, and wanting to share a good event chart. LOL
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Post by lumina on Feb 20, 2019 13:40:13 GMT
wow, actually this is unreal, just glancing over the chart and seeing Draco transiting Sun was on 6 Gemini conjunct my Draco Moon on 6 Gemini and Draco composite Sun on 5 Gemini. lol We were having our draco composite solar return!
actually those gemini-degrees pop up quite a lot, event hough he personally hasn`t got anything there, though of course his Draco Sun is on 25 Cancer and on the antistion of this degree (as is my Draco IC btw)
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Post by Ava on Feb 20, 2019 13:42:50 GMT
yes I remember you mentioning that in advance, it was really bone-chilling, and seeing the exactness is again downright frightening. It was super freaky. Was the tropical Moon opposing that? If so, it might have acted as a trigger. also in medieval and mundane astrology Moon is related to "the people", meaning a crowd or a nation or just simply people in public. Interesting...well I am very ignorant of those astrology systems, so thanks for sharing that. The moon was @ 25.50 Aquarius. The shooter's natal moon was 22.17 Aquarius on the transiting SN. www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Stephen_PaddockThe event chart has: 23.35 transiting draconic Aries Mars, in partile trine to NN-draco Pluto. Well I could go on and on but don't mean to divert the whole conversation in this morbid direction. I just remembered this as a salient example.
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Post by Ava on Feb 20, 2019 18:36:06 GMT
lumina Nice chart above, with the sun-Mercury-Jupiter-ASC, and draco Mars on the tropical DSC, draco Juno on tropical MC. That is super sad about the accident. I'm all worried about my son getting his license soon, as I'm not completely confident in his driving. I mean people always make mistakes and others can usually compensate in time, like the girl who pulled out directly into my lane the other day, causing me to swerve and honk my horn, yet she barely noticed even that (WHAT a moron). I will probably just restrict his driving for a while...he's already older than the age where most kids get their license. Bright kid, but he gets nervous with everything swirling and changing around him, and sometimes he's too rigid in response to that (gripping the steering wheel and avoiding rapid movements....Taurus ASC-Saturn) when he ought to be reacting fast and fluidly. Speaking of NN-Pluto, his draco Pluto is on his NN, too. With Chiron. Fortunately he has 12H Jupiter ruling his sun; I've heard that's like a guardian angle aspect? And this Jupiter, in draconic, is conjunct his tropical sun.
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Post by lumina on Feb 20, 2019 19:49:50 GMT
Ava"Nice chart above, with the sun-Mercury-Jupiter-ASC, and draco Mars on the tropical DSC, draco Juno on tropical MC. " Yes, I thought so, too. I can understand you are worried about your son, but well, if he is a responsible driver then that is already a lot worth. Of course we cannot control everything in life. Yes I heard that too about the Guardian angel aspect, I could imagine it to be true, too Well as for the day P sent me that mail and basically was writing with me half the morning. lol my tropical transits were actually rather peculiar. Tr Venus conjunct my Pluto exact Tr Jupiter conjunct my Uranus on 11th house cusp exact Tr Neptune conjunct my Jupiter exact Tr Pluto opposite my Saturn exact Tr Chiron square my Sun-Mercury exact while I get the Jupiter-transits, that Pluto-Saturn-transit was most peculiar, it was also applying by just 0°02! Well they say it is one of the hardest aspects to be there (though it is also said that if you had been doing a lot of work, despite still being exhausting, it might bring the rewards from what you have put effort in, but usually it just sucks. lol Still that was a nice day. lol Also Tr ASC and Tr Mercury conjunct my Draco Saturn exact (and P`s Draco Ceres) Tr Venus conjunct Draco composite Chiron and opposing Ps Draco Mars-Jupiter Tr Uranus conjunct my Draco Venus and his Draco Saturn on our Draco composite MC: lol (Tr Pluto on our composite Venus exact, too, btw) Tr SN conjunct my Draco Uranus exact (and square his Draco Pluto) Tr Chiron conjunct my Draco Mars-ASC and his tropical ASC and conjunct our DRaco composite Pluto Tr Ceres conjunct my Draco Chiron on our composite Karma and as for the Draco transits: Tr MC conjunct my Draco ASC and Draco Neptune, on his tropical ASC Tr IC on his tropical Saturn Tr Sun conjunct my Draco Moon and our DRaco composite Sun, also conjunct my tropical DESC exact Tr Moon conjunct his Draco Uranus and applying to our Draco composite Venus Tr Jupiter on our tropical composite Jupiter exact, on my SN, opposite his Mercury (tropically) Tr Saturn on our tropical composite DESC exact Tr Uranus conjunct my tropical Mars exact Tr Neptune on our composite NN Tr Pluto on our composite Vertex exact and also in partile conjunction to his Draco Venus, which I find interesting Tr Avx on his Draco Neptune and my troical Vertex Tr Ceres on my draco Juno exact (no orb) some like that. among other things what I noticed was that I was having Tr Venus conjunct Pluto (tropical) and he was having Tr Pluto conjunct Venus (Draco-level) on a day when Tr Pluto (tropical) was conjunct our composite Venus exact (also tropical)
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Post by Ava on Feb 21, 2019 0:04:39 GMT
Hi lumina Yes...true what you said about driving. Well just letting kids go, out into this crazy world, is something I'm worse at than I thought. "Tr Uranus conjunct my Draco Venus and his Draco Saturn on our Draco composite MC: lol" Isn't that fantastic? Adding spunk and surprise to a more sober link. "Tr Chiron conjunct my Draco Mars-ASC and his tropical ASC and conjunct our DRaco composite Pluto" Chiron seems to thin the veils sometimes. "and as for the Draco transits...." SUPER impressive. No wonder it was a busy day of talking. "Tr Sun conjunct my Draco Moon and our DRaco composite Sun, also conjunct my tropical DESC exact" *eyes widen* Yeah it seems like some points in synastry/composite are just stacked up and waiting for a catalyst to bring them to life. And this one just looks so BRIGHT! edit
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Post by lumina on Feb 21, 2019 12:44:18 GMT
Ava"Isn't that fantastic? Adding spunk and surprise to a more sober link. " Yes, it was. At least temporarily breaking some boundaries. "Chiron seems to thin the veils sometimes. " What do you mean? "And this one just looks so BRIGHT! " Yes, it is really nice. And well he is in it in so far as of course Draco composite Sun relates to him, too. Interestingly he was having pr Moon (tropically) in around 5-10 Gemini last year, and his pr ASC on 7-8 Gemini. "Well...H and I have draco comp Uranus @ 23 Pisces." There is our draco comp Pluto (and tropical composite Ceres) "23 Pisces Uranus (semisextile 23 Aries Mercury...so both triggered at once) 24 Sag Saturn 26 Virgo Jupiter 27 Pisces Venus (opposing his EVC Venus and draco Chiron @ 27 Virgo) Then tr draco sun hit the draconic NN of course, then 2 Cap Mars 5 Aries sun " Stunning picture. Moving from a square to an opposition. semisextiles and quinkunxes are interesting, in that if one gets a harmonious transit the other one gets a challenging one. "Also, tr draco Mercury with that first breakthrough was @ 16 Aries, exact on my draco Venus and natal Jupiter." that is lovely and fits the symbolism of your talk. "I don't mean to keep using this as a case study for everything but it was so weird, like an alien landing." Keep on using it, it is a great case study.
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Post by Ava on Feb 21, 2019 15:34:41 GMT
Hi lumina, I had a sense of Chiron thinning the veils because in my experience...that's what it does. It cuts through illusions, it cuts through everything, you know, like a surgeon, hurting and slicing so it can reach the problem and address it. It's pretty mysterious and I only have a handful of experiences. Like, their moon (guy) on my Chiron...well it's Aries....so, okay Mr. Blabbermouth, you can just go ahead and rip me to shreds (and F you by the way) but the reason it hurt so bad was because he was sure to see me clearly, I was SEEN, and there is a weird intimacy in that. For the brief time we were interfacing directly, there was nothing held back whatsoever, it felt total. Then yesterday a friend was talking about a desire to go deep with a person, know them in totality, and they have really strong Chiron synastry, so the whole "penetration on all levels" thing came to mind...if the veil is down, there's some kind of automatic closeness, and now the question is, what do you do about that? For me, I let down my guard completely with my friend whose sun was on my Chiron, and that's exactly how she could backstab me right through the heart, because she knew my heart. In fact I had a nightmare about her last night. LOL But she also served to just accelerate, amplify, embody a whole situation. She could just be herself without apology, while I couldn't. She was fine accepting all the affection in the world, thinking she deserved it, while I didn't. She just sauntered up and took it. That's what I couldn't do. I just hung back in the shadows...I wasn't sure of anything...life was moving on without me. But this was ultimately so intolerable that I was galvanized into dramatic action myself. And I polarized away from her. She was a chain-smoker, so was I....but no, now I have to be her opposite, and to hell with cigarettes. And she was cutesy and acting like a wide-eyed kitten, and I polarized, not putting up with ANY crap anymore, but setting my jaw and doing my own thing. Basically I followed her example of "Just be yourself and claim what you want" but in a way more appropriate to who I am. As a Cap sun that mean kicking down the walls around me and honestly losing a great deal, in this desperate effort to find myself. Well that went in a direction I didn't expect, but I'm fresh out of that nightmare (though I woke around 6 am, the vibes linger). Also, Mercury is on my moon, dredging up old emotional problems. "And well he is in it in so far as of course Draco composite Sun relates to him, too. Interestingly he was having pr Moon (tropically) in around 5-10 Gemini last year, and his pr ASC on 7-8 Gemini." *Layering*....I love it. Seems a key to predictive astrology, though I know very little about the professional methods. I just look for points overlapping many times over and assume, "Something's going to set that off." Well when my husband and I got married, tr draco sun-Mercury was @ 7 Scorpio, conjunct my natal Uranus, squaring my recitified ASC, his rectified pr ASC (which was conjunct my ASC) and his sun....7° fixed signs is major for us, so I did like seeing draco sun-Mercury there. Still, there are other times when draco transits don't seem all that potent. In that case I'm wondering if there is a mismatch, where the 3D event so to speak (tropical zodiac) doesn't match the 5D reality (draconic)...not that anyone's saying draco is 5D, but I think you understand what I'm trying to communicate.
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Post by lumina on Feb 21, 2019 16:58:48 GMT
Ava Wow! that was an amazing explanation of Chiron-aspects. Yes, definitely does resonate. And yes to the layering, and also maybe to bring 3D and 5D into alignment there has to be conjunction from one level to the other? So it`s all good and well that P`s Draco Sun-Moon-MC falls onto my Draco IC and my Draco Pluto onto his Draco IC, but the thing that brings it "out" or into 3 d (at least sometimes ), has to do with the fact that his tropical Juno falls onto my Draco IC-his DRaco New Moon, and his tropical Venus falls onto my Draco Pluto? On the other hand the Aries-stellium seems to be very sensitive to triggering,t houg we do not have tropical planets there, I do wonder if composite Mars on 23 Libra, activates it through the opposition, and of course composite Chiron on 29 Aries is just 3-4 degrees off our Draco STellium.
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Post by Ava on Feb 22, 2019 14:00:08 GMT
Ava And yes to the layering, and also maybe to bring 3D and 5D into alignment there has to be conjunction from one level to the other? Sounds good. I remember, that's the conventional wisdom, and I felt there was even some dogmatism about this in the astro community, that draco cannot stand alone but needs tropical "anchors". Yet I've found draco-to-draco synastry pretty remarkable in helping to explain relationship longevity, and that holds even when there is no permanent transit to solidify it, or clear-cut natal chart involvement. (Though of course there are always ways to tie charts together if one insists upon it ....we can always work with progressions, minor aspects, asteroids, whatever.)
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Post by lumina on Feb 22, 2019 20:08:44 GMT
IYet I've found draco-to-draco synastry pretty remarkable in helping to explain relationship longevity, and that holds even when there is no permanent transit to solidify it, or clear-cut natal chart involvement. Yes, I find that, too, the DRaco-DRaco on its own very relevant. I was just wondering why sometimes 3D and 5D seem to be so far apart.
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Post by Ava on Feb 22, 2019 21:37:58 GMT
lumina I think maybe life just doesn't even make sense? That's the big secret? Well Pisces Mercury is in its shadow phase. There are things that don't really quite add up or connect, 3D to 5D. Right now I'm thinking of yin and yang, wake and sleep, and how both sides contain a bit of each other (daydreaming while waking, lucid dreaming while sleeping). Strange how we don't always know what's going on with our minds or what they are capable of. Like the times when we at these forums were "playing" clairvoyant and saw there was more accuracy than we expected....those visions are probably coming into our minds all the time, we just don't ever think to try and match them to real life. Images that seem private and random may not be that way at all. And with relationships, no matter how many labels we try and use (3D), there will always be kaleidoscopic elements, the universe's programming (astrology, time-space), forces out of our control. So it's interesting that draconic (more 5D?) is usually strong within families because on the one hand, draconic seems the undercurrent, but then it's also making things tangible (babies, in this case). Well life is mysterious and happens unconsciously; I didn't BUILD my children cell by cell. Btw, last night's nightmare did seem to foretell the next day's events, though it's too long and personal to map out...but I wanted to say that tr draco sun @ 6 Scorpio last night, exact on my natal Uranus ("The Great Awakener" - doesn't always feel great!), and opposing tropical Mars @ 5 Taurus, was as explosive as I might've predicted, if I had the courage; tr Venus-Pluto on my SR moon-Pluto adding context to that. So today is one of these days ->> Might edit that later ... Doing some research, I learned that the noon chart for my parents' wedding day has 10.25 Aqua DSC 10.59 Aqua draconic sun 11.11 Aqua moon...............pretty cool, all of that. 14.12 Taurus, transiting sun 16.22 Taurus, my father's draconic moon My parents had: 23.06 Gem, his draco Venus 22.32 Gem, her draco Mars 22.43 Gem, his DSC (20.33 Gem, his NN) Fitting, but not really all that spectacular orb-wise: transiting Venus was @ 27.05 Gemini. This caught my eye 24.11 Cap, my mother's Mars (conjunct 22 Cap draco sun) 24.34 Cap, transiting draconic Mars *squaring my father's natal tropical sun-Mars Well my parents usually seemed to get along but Mars square Mars synastry is not my favorite thing ever. Tr draco Mars on my mother's natal Mars, squaring my father's natal Mars, seems like a kind of exclamation point.
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Post by Ava on Feb 22, 2019 22:06:05 GMT
Oh I just saw...
My father's draco EVC with noon chart on wedding:
7.22 Taurus sun (conjunct tr 7.13 Taurus draco ASC, opp tr draco DSC-moon @ 7 Scorpio) 8.29 Taurus Venus
My mother's draco EVC had 11-12 Leo Juno-Uranus, opposite the transiting draco sun, tr tropical DSC-moon
Could probably find more but these popped out...
My mother's draco EVC had an exact trine of Jupiter (19 Scorpio) to Pluto (19 Pisces), the supposed millionaire aspect, and her draco EVC Cap Mercury was on the midpoint @ 20 Cap...well she did marry into wealth, though my father's family didn't financially support them except through inheritances later.
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Post by Ava on Feb 26, 2019 15:24:33 GMT
Transiting draconic Neptune @ 19.53 Scorpio today, conjunct my 20.00 Scorpio NN, trine my moon. Transiting tropical Neptune aplying to conjunction with my moon; it will be there exactly from April 30th- August 15th, before turning Rx. So I'll get another pass. I've been giving some thought to how that experience might feel; tr draconic Neptune entering the picture on the draconic side feels a bit like a test drive. Stating the obvious to anyone who knows me ~ being psychic is a quality I outright revere in others; though I have intuitive flashes and some uncanny dreaming, it hasn't ever seemed more fully attainable...getting to the next level. But I think that's a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy & blockage. Also motivated by laziness. I'm not really sure what it takes to open my mind to receive more impressions, but lately it feels like a certain mental poise is conducive to it; the quality of this mood is one of outright acceptance of everything including myself (very hard to do). Lately it feels like I am cresting that wave, however (if that metaphor makes sense), and then I'm seeing that what occurs in my mind is connected to what plays out within the next hour or two. This has happened several times in the past few days. But then as soon as my ego gets involved or I think "I'm getting somewhere with this" it seems to darken my mind. Hard to sustain a sense of possibility, which would drive ambition, without my ego throwing an interference pattern onto it. Just ruminating aloud I guess, pls don't quote...
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Post by Ava on Feb 27, 2019 19:21:36 GMT
Oh wonderful, this year's draconic sun-Chiron conjunction takes place @ 7 Sag, on my Venus (March 22). Can't wait. @ 3 pm EST that day: - Draco Venus @ 0° Scorpio squares draco Mars @ 0° Aqua and tropical Uranus @ 0 Taurus (forming an exact grand cross with my natal Saturn @ 0° Leo). - Draco Mars is the apex of a yod with 1 Cancer moon and 29 Leo Jupiter Bad emotional weather forecast but it's not like I live in a temperate zone to begin with.
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Post by lumina on Feb 27, 2019 19:30:45 GMT
AvaI am not surprised Tr Neptune on your Moon heightens your psychic senses, especially in Pisces. wEll for me it was in Aqua, but when Tr Neptune conjuncted my Moon, I`ve had the craziest dreams and sometimes was walking around like I was literally sleepwalking, feeling like I was being drawn somewhere and only when arriving there I seemed to snap out of that trance-like state. "Oh wonderful, this year's draconic sun-Chiron conjunction takes place @ 7 Sag, on my Venus (March 22). Can't wait. " Yeah great, on my ASC exact! "- Draco Venus @ 0° Scorpio squares draco Mars @ 0° Aqua and tropical Uranus @ 0 Taurus (forming an exact grand cross with my natal Saturn @ 0° Leo). " Phew..... so Draco Venus on my troical Uranus, Draco Mars on our composite ASC, tropical Uranus on the cusp of my 5th house (and well basically in orb for the composite Chiron-ATropos on 29 ARies-00 Taurus and composite Union on 29 Libra) - Draco Mars is the apex of a yod with 1 Cancer moon and 29 Leo Jupiter my Draco Jupiter is on 1 Cancer, his pr NN (tropical) on 29 Leo. "Bad emotional weather forecast but it's not like I live in a temperate zone to begin with. " Actually it sounds delicious! Now if it was Saturn and Pluto and so on, but Venus-Mars-Uranus, there will be a lot of zing. Granted with Chiron there we will be stripped bare of all defences but maybe it is what is needed to get that extra push out of the comfortzone and let the new begin. I mean with all of this on 00 degrees of the fixed signs? Something is bound to begin (or to end with our composite Atropos)
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Post by Ava on Apr 18, 2019 15:16:06 GMT
Transiting draconic Venus @ 6 Sag today, conjunct my Venus and your Mars lumina. Feel it? I was craving music this morning and appreciating it more than usual, so I went to investigate possible astro-factors and found that. Plus, tr draco Mercury @ 10 Sag, tr draco Chiron at 11 Sag, on my tropical Neptune.
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