Venus Return Composite

[lumina]

Just out of curiosity I made a Venus return of our composite (using composite Venus` exact placement) for last year. What a nice return chart that was! (for the most part, there was also some sort of hurdle in it of course, as you never get ideal situations.   )






Ava
how did your Venus Return of the composite look for the reconnecting last year? 

[Ava]

Ah, that is nice lumina . I like when the IC and 4H have "good" planets there, like the luminaries and Venus. And you don't mind Pluto there I don't think? ...7H Vertex on your draco sun, trine the NN, with sun-Venus forming a Pythagorean Triangle with those. Likes like a nice recipe for sweet things taking place. And of course, your Venus return looks just like my solar return. LOL...this chart works wonders! Jupiter-Mars sextile sun-Venus and square NN-Ceres.

In the reconnection case, I can't say for sure, because I don't have both our birth times. Comp Venus @ 10 Scorpio using noon chart; transiting Venus was SD @ 10 Scorpio from Sept 29th-Oct 12th, then Dec 17-18th. Ha, so now YOUR solar return becomes my composite Venus return. Again we travel together.

[lumina]

Ava

How funny that WE travel together. But somehow makes sense.

Well your birthtime ist known. Or at least rectified Well. While the Houses May Not be known you still can See the aspects.

Well If Venus was retro, Then the Last Hit Counts for the year to follow.



Yes IT was a very nice Venus Return. With Mars-jupiter in composite MC by one degree, so that probably was very visibl and then that exact Sun Venus. A year to Fall in Love. Lol or at least interact nicely, With plutos Intensität and cathartic effects.

[Ava]

Yeah we'll see how it goes, lumina.

Venus moves pretty fast though. So even with one person's birth time missing, the approximate return chart won't be too accurate. But, what's good in your SR? Just give me the good stuff.

Have you checked the draco composite with transiting draco Venus?

In the above-mentioned synastry, our draco comp Venus @ 27 Pisces opp Jupiter (26 Virgo) conjunct transiting draco Pluto (25 Virgo)....this will be met by tr draco Venus soon, so a half-Venus return in draco.

[lumina]

Ava

"Venus moves pretty fast though."
just try it out.
Make one with H`s birth set at 00°00 a.m. and one with the birthtime at 11:59 p.m. and then you can see how much leeway there is, you might not be able to see exact/partile hits except for the slow moving planets, but it will not be so terribly far either. 


for example in P`s ccomposite with his wife (granted her Venus moves slow as it is retrograde), the Venus-range is from 6°49 Pisces - 6°32 Pisces. That is really not that much! The Venus return would be definite for a certain day. 


Lets say my birthtime were unknown then our Venus range would be from 15°50 Cap - 16°27 Cap. 
That is really not all that much, granted too much for determining the angles. BTW in a composite if one birthtime is known, even the Moon placement will not vary much more than about 6 degrees (during the whole day).

But anyway the Venus-range would pinpoint the date of a Venus return down to about 12 hours range, and exluding Moon and the angles the other planets will not make that much of a difference during that timeframe. 



"But, what's good in your SR? Just give me the good stuff.
"
Which SR? Or do you mean Venus Return? Which year? lol




"Have you checked the draco composite with transiting draco Venus?
"
Nope, not yet. 


well Draco composite Venus is on 25°15´8´´


Which means that the last one started on 10th september 2018, so a month AFTER we coincidentally met and had coffee, I guess this is the current Venus Return for us. 





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LOL a Venus-Mars-square, and and while I have not delved too deeply, our Draco composite Pluto is on 24 Pisces on his tropical ASC (and my Draco ASC), so basically that Return Mars here is opposing our Draco composite Pluto. Actually this current Venus Return looks extremely intense, and with Uranusr ight on the MC, somewhen this year something sudden or shocking might happen (his pr Draco Uranus is on 25 Gemini at the moment and Draco Uranus on 22 Gemini, and my pr Draco Venus is at 23 Gemini - so basically we have a progressed synastric Venus-Uranus-conjunction applying to composite Venus in the Dracos which happens to be angular this year)

oh and his pr Draco Venus is on 14 Libra on the Return chart DESC (and our tropicalc omposite Pluto on 15 Libra)



But anyway for the Draco Venus return for the months leading up to last august



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"In the above-mentioned synastry, our draco comp Venus @ 27 Pisces opp Jupiter (26 Virgo) conjunct transiting draco Pluto (25 Virgo)....this will be met by tr draco Venus soon, so a half-Venus return in draco."
Wow that sounds so intense and expansive! and I LOVE your Venus-Jupiter! potential for a lot of good feelings there, and joy to be had, also probably a bit indulgent potentially. 

[lumina]

oh and no clue why both Venus returns in DRaco have a Sun-Moon-conjunction (well our composite Solar Return for last year had a partile Sun-Moon-conjunction as well, with Sun on his Sun and Moon on my Sun exact). I don`t think that is always the case?

Well no, next Draco Venus return, which starts on 22nd september 2019 will not have a conjunction, though there will be a square bewteen Sun on 14 Gemini and Moon on 17 Pisces. lol So cannot escape those Sun-Moon-aspects. 


Draco VR DESC will be on 17 Cap, so conjunct our tropical composite Venus within one degree. 

[Ava]

Hey lumina ,

I think winter is an all-around good excuse to be lazy. So...I'm here immediately and ready to keep talking, before the moon advances too far into Virgo, and I can't enjoy it quite the same.



New moons in your draco Venus return. Well...it's nice to retain one major feature from 2018, as that year had its share of auspicious moments. I remember that transiting draco Uranus will be in Cap later this year, might hit that Juno, but I suppose your new draco Venus return will already be in effect by then. 

"Which means that the last one started on 10th september 2018, so a month AFTER we coincidentally met and had coffee, I guess this is the current Venus Return for us."

I wonder if draco transits to late Pisces, setting off that Venus-Mars-Uranus t-square into a grand cross, would create a pronounced Venus effect? 

Well just the fact that your composite draco Venus opposes your tropical suns, I think that's interesting. But I seem to be endlessly fascinated (read: too much) with draco. 

I keep thinking my husband might still be reading at this forum, and get the wrong idea about what's going on w/ H. Presently that Venus-Jupiter opposition on the nodes is keeping everything as it should be, just lighthearted and fun, carefree-feeling. 

"Which SR? Or do you mean Venus Return? Which year? lol"

2018...remember, your SR = our comp Venus return. 

Well the range for our comp Venus -
W/ his birthtime at 12:00 am: 9.42 Scorpio...comp Venus Return has Venus exactly sextile Saturn, semisextile Jupiter, quincunx Aries moon, trine Neptune 
W/ his birthtime 12 11:59 pm: 10.19 Scorpio...same as above except semisextile is out of orb and the moon squares Pluto

And with both, Mercury is on our composite Mercury, on my natal Venus.

I think I'm mentally prepared for any reasonable/normal outcome including not talking anymore, but it's just fun to try and make predictions, and in this case, so much is up in the air that the predictions become more satisfying if or when they do come true.  And it's kind of interesting, when I learned there was a good chance we might talk again, transiting draco sun was conjunct our tropical composite Venus, transiting draco Venus in Scorpio trine draco composite Venus.

Geez, and draco comp Venus is conjunct Uranus. When we actually reconnected:
- tr draco Uranus conjunct comp draco Saturn, squaring draco comp Venus 
- tr draco sun conjunct draco comp Uranus (applying to draco comp Venus)
- tr draco Venus opposing our tropical Uranus-Uranus conjunction on his nodes

His pr draco sun (noon chart) was exactly conjunct draco comp Venus then. Next stop is to sit right between our draco comp Pluto @ 29 Aqua and Neptune @ 29 Aries, the supernatural midpoint, before hitting the Aries Point. I wonder what it's like to have one's pr draco sun reach the Aries point. At the same time, my pr draco sun will oppose my tropical sun, while my pr draco moon @ 5 Aries will be conjunct our draco comp sun exactly....well....the relationship seems ongoing and self-healing (knock on wood), so I shouldn't be surprised seeing markers in the future that look like, "We'll still be talking." 

[lumina]

Ava

"I wonder if draco transits to late Pisces, setting off that Venus-Mars-Uranus t-square into a grand cross, would create a pronounced Venus effect?
"
POssibly? well Draco composite Pluto is there as well, and his tropical ASC. and my Draco Mars-ASC. 




"But I seem to be endlessly fascinated (read: too much) with draco.
"
Yes, actually it would make sense to see it describing what manifests in real life terms strongly, after all it is a nodal chart and therefore combining Sun, MOon and Earth. 






2018...remember, your SR = our comp Venus return.


Oh this would be my Solar Return for this year (and funny enough ASC falls right onto Lancelot`s NN and possibly MOon and definitely conjuncts P`s best friend`s Moon). 



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comp Venus Return has Venus exactly sextile Saturn,
That sounds nice, a sextile might be very consolidating, in a subtle way.

curiously enough our comp Venus return this year has a Venus-Saturn-conjunction where last year was a Sun-Venus-conjunction, and while last year there was a sextile between the rulers of ASC and DESC, this year it is going to be a conjunction (and replicating our basic composite Mercury-Neptune-conjunction, not that this is such a terrific thing probably. lol )



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as for the Venus-Saturn, at least it does not square anything in the chart. lol (well it does square basic composite Pluto of course)


there are quite some overlay with the basic composite, too

Return Jupitr conjunct Mercury (3 degrees)
Return IC conjunct Sun (1 degree) (ruler of the composite DESC)
Return Venus-Saturn conjunct Venus (ruler of the composite IC and South Node) exact
Return Pluto conjunct Moon exact
Return Mercury-Neptune conjunct Pholus with 1 degree each
Return Uranus conjunct Chiron exact
Return Mars conjunct Chiron with 3 degrees and Atropos with 2 degrees
Return Moon conjunct DESC with 1 degree

Actually the Moon is funny, last year`s VR Moon was in Virgo in 12th house (like in the natal), opposing Chiron in 6th and squaring Mercury in 24 Sag in 3rd (most closely to my Mercury, so I guess that put the responsibility for communication towards me)

Anyway Virgo Moon, opposing 6th house Chiron - I suppose that was a Moon, expecting to make sacrifices, that nothing is being given for free but has to be worked for and to be of service. 

However this year`s Venus return Moon looks so differentlly, more dramatic, and possibly overdramatizing, a bit of a Primadonna-Moon. lol 

Leo in 10th hugging 11th house cusp, squaring Mars in 8th exactly and also squaring Uranus and pulling in the nodal axis through the Uranus-square (Uranus rules our composite ASC of course). 
And well fixed signs in fixed houses - it seems a little stubborn, as compared to last year`s adaptable and more pragmatic Moon. 

and it replicates our composite Moon-Mars square and additionally both of us have had or will have a Moon-Mars-square in the progressions and thus the pr composite will at some point have a Moon-Mars-square. Umm. 

Jsut doesn`t look like a Moon that likes to be tossed aside or kept in the shadows. lol NOt a Leo Moon, and it is angular. 

Well interestingly it is again aspecting Chiron but this year with a trine, and both are angular. Return Moon on composite DESC, REturn Chiron on Return (and progressed composite) DESC. Not that I particularly enjoy seeing Chiron right there. lol 




"And with both, Mercury is on our composite Mercury, on my natal Venus.
"
That looks so nice. harmonious, communicative, subtly flirtative. 




transiting draco sun was conjunct our tropical composite Venus,"
so draco transits do kickstart tropical placements! That is an amazing one.


- tr draco Uranus conjunct comp draco Saturn, squaring draco comp Venus

not sure how easy Venus-Saturn-square is (though there was one in the transits when we had our coffee-chat. 
However Uranus was shaking up and breaking through limitations, old crystallized structures (like not talking. lol), so it makes all sense. 
The other combos too of course. So much Uranus-Venus, I really love that!