Current solar arc direction

[Ava]

What's happening in your current SA chart? Any conjunctions to your natal chart, or major transits?

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Mine:



- Tr Uranus will hit my SA moon in a bit
- My SA sun-Mars-Jupiter triangle moves to 0° this summer 
- My natal Saturn is @ 0° Leo so I think this move will have a saturnine feel to it
- Tr Saturn will be on my sun at the same time....then tr SN-Saturn on my sun...
- Finally, tr Jupiter will be conjunct my SA Uranus, right when the sun enters Scorpio (sun squaring my natal Saturn)
- The year finishes out with tr Uranus conjunct my SA moon again

I guess I don't even want to know what this "code" is spelling out for me. 

Fortunately it's the Year of the Pig, supposedly good for Rabbits. 🙏🏻 

[lumina]

will have some thoughts to put to this later on, but for now have you read the article on shadow transits?


www.astro.com/info/tma_article150504_e.htm


I also noticed transits to solar arcs (or progression) being very valid.

[lumina]

Btw What happened 4-5 years ago,?

[lumina]

Last year you Seen to have Had sa chiron opposing Venus and sa Moon squares Saturn, and there ist a sa Mercury conjunct moon either now IT recently? Sa chiron opposing Venus does Not Look too easy, possible totalky worthwile but whenever icsee chiron i think of Feelings of exposure, vulnerabilty and Just Feeling raw somehow, Like having dry skin and being ultra sensitive and reactive to even the softest Touch. Like IT Just shoots through the whole internal System and nerves that are already sensitized. IT can get a Bit much. And sa Moon to Saturn probably an emotional running against the inner safety blanket and controls,really chalkenging the Saturn system. 


Also I see that your solar arc Mars is heading to a conjunction with your Saturn, this is interesting. Remember how I mentioned my sa Mars opposing my Saturn? But anyway the conjunction might be nicer I guess. WEll I know that Noel Tyl and some others do not differentiate between the aspects, they are only using conjunction, opposition, square and also semisquare and sesisquare but I still think it might be a difference and the conjunction ight be easier to handle, like there is more of a merging/ combining really, not the antagonism of the opposition. But however it will be I think something will pound on your walls and defenses this summer, and there will be a very new phase starting, well it had already begun with Moon changing signs and the MOon kind of softened and infused the Saturn with all the emotionalism and now Mars comes to finish the job. lol But no seriously, it could ALSO simply mean putting real energy into building something valuable and worthwile, like working on your career goals, as Mars will give you the drive and the energy, if Mars and SAturn work together, they can be a formidable team (they just often do not want to work together, that is the problem). 

Even though usually trine and sextiles are not really used or considered (but I am open to that, esp. since I realized that my sa Jupiter was exactly trine my Sun the week P was sort of telling me he was going to sing this song for me on the concert, I mean if that is not a Jupiter-like-reward, what would be? lol Of course he made it in a way that it became a tease. but that was with sa Jupiter trine my Sun and square his Venus btw. lol) I am getting distracted, tioo, and oh btw I am sorry you have a cold and hope you will recover quickly, anyway, for God`s sake, my mind is a bit scattered I suppose, but anyway, I see that sa Jupiter is going to sextile your Saturn, too, when sa Mars is conjunct it, so that might alleviate some of the pressure hopefully, at least might give it a sense of meaning and expansion. Your Saturnian fears and insecurities might not like it too much, being pushed to leave the comfortzone but I guess it will be worth it. 

[lumina]

my solar arcs are pretty boring at the moment btw





virtul dice

[Ava]

Feb 5, 2019 16:18:08 GMT lumina said:

will have some thoughts to put to this later on, but for now have you read the article on shadow transits?


www.astro.com/info/tma_article150504_e.htm

Thank you!

In my case, there hasn't been much impressive accuracy when it comes to my Saturn return (mentioned in the article), except my father died with tr Saturn in Leo, and my natal Saturn is in Leo...and I went through serious mourning about 6 months afterwards, that's when it hit me hard, with tr Saturn squaring my nodes. 

SA Saturn meeting up with tr Saturn at that time coincided with unexpected pregnancy. My SA Saturn conjunct tr Saturn just before I got pregnant, then two more conjunctions through the pregnancy, and these were uneventful, except I was alone for much of that with three other children at our country property, and it was very cold in the house because we hadn't expected nor prepared for the colder temperatures. This was when we had run-ins with bears. Overall not the greatest time in my life, but manageable. I did have postpartum depression for the second and last time in my life after this son was born. Not exactly manageable. It was bad, but mercifully short in duration. SA Chiron was conjunct my draconic sun if that matters, plus it was my half-nodal return.  

[Ava]

Feb 5, 2019 16:54:21 GMT lumina said:

Btw What happened 4-5 years ago,?

Is there an area of life you're curious about?


just wondering about that sa Venus conjunct Sun. Sun-Venus-solar arcs are said to coincide with "love of your life" or at least romance and love becoming paramount, maybe even a flirt or crush, of course it could also bring something artistic. 

Well I guess this would be more fitting with sa Sun conjunct Venus - the Sun coming and illuminating Venusian themes. So maybe here it was a theme of becoming more conscious of yourself or something like that? 

There also seems to have been a sa Uranus squaring Moon, there was no pregnancy, no? But something shocking, surprising or sudden or even awakening your emotions? oh sorry that would have been more like 1-2 years ago, I guess. 

But about 5 years ago there might have been sa Pluto on your NN; right? was that coinciding closely with sa Venus on your Sun? That should have been a significant time, something that would definitely influence your direction in life. I mean Pluto-NN is MAJOR, and as I said Venus-Sun is something pretty personal, love, friendship, becoming yourself (becauser Sun rules your chart), a waking up taking place somehow. Maybe also a change in how you communicate and bring yourself across (Pluto in his association with the 3rd house for you). that would have been in 2013-2014 I think. 

Well of course around that time I started talking to you about that crazy story of mine with P I suppose. but I don´t think that would have been enough, unless it changed your thoughts on some things. lol NO just kidding, I am not that important. 

[lumina]

Well, "traditionally" only the conjunction, square, opposition "count" as a event-descriptive aspects and the semisquare and sesisquare are considered, too, but I am listing all the "insignificant" ones as well, as I am not really convinced they are really insiginficant, but maybe just have a bit of a different effect than the event-aspects.
I put into brackets the month this one will be active, but of course solar arcs have a longer time span where they can get activated, though it seems that the two months surrounding the point of exactness are really the "hot zone".

sa Moon square Vesta 0°41 s (june 2018)

sa Saturn sextile Uranus 0°33 s (july-august 2018)
sa Juno opposite Uranus 0°34 s (july-august 2018)
sa Juno trine Vesta 0°33 s (july-august 2018)
sa Saturn trine Vesta 0°32 s (july- august 2018)


sa DESC conjunct Vertex 0°30 s (one of my favourite ones, too bad it is gone now) (august 2018 - it was exact to one minute at the "coffee-date" )

sa Jupiter trine Sun 0°14 s (november-december 2018)
sa Node semisquare Neptune 0°10 s (december 2018)

sa Mars square Chiron 0°05 s (januaryy 2019)
Mercury sextile Neptune 0°03 s (January-february 2019)

sa Chiron opposite Mars (april 2019)

sa Neptune semisquare Node 0°16 a (may 2019)

sa Uranus quinkunx Saturn 0°39 a (september-october 2019)
sa Vesta quinkunx Saturn 0°38 a (september-october 2019)
sa Uranus square Juno 0°39 a (september-october 2019)
sa Vertex square DESC 0°39 a (I actually like that one, let`s see if it will behave nicely) (september-october 2019)

sa Uranus sextile Moon 0°48 a (november-december 2019)
sa Vesta conjunct Moon 0°47 a (november-december 2019)


sa Mars opposite Vertex 1°21 a (my Vertex is conjunct my Sun/Moon-mp, the far midpoint, by 3 minutes, so anthing touching it, also activates that mp and Eros btw) (june 2020)
sa Chiron conjunct DESC 2°02 a (something to look forward - probably not. lol) (february 2021)
sa Moon conjunct IC 2°55 a (december 2021)


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the progressed Moon is always worth checking for as a timing tool, and this one will make these aspects during the next months

conjunct MC: march 2019
square Venus: april 2019
square pr Mars may 2019
opposite pr Juno : april may 2019
conjunct Pluto : june 2019
trine pr Sun; august 2019
square pr Saturn : september 2019
square pr ASC: december 2019
square Saturn: january 2020 (pr DESC will conjunct n Saturn)
trine Moon : january 2020


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and only checking transits for next sunday (to the solar arc planets and then natal planets)


Tr Pluto conjunct sa ASC 0°04a
Tr Node square sa Jupiter 0°20 a
Tr Neptune square sa Uranus 1°05 a
Tr Mars conjunct sa Jupiter 0°49 s
Tr Sun conjunct sa Venus 0°08a


Tr Pluto opposite n Vertex 0°26 s (and therefore partile conjunct the near Sun/Moon-mp as well)
Tr Saturn opposite n Saturn 1°02 a
Tr Venus conjunct n Venus 0°50 s

[lumina]

Ava

so the common theme between Tr Saturn conjunct n Saturn and Tr Saturn conjunct sa Saturn was isolation, being out in the cold (literally!), and feeling abandoned?

[lumina]

sorry I think I edited your post and posted my answer in there.

[Ava]

Feb 5, 2019 20:31:25 GMT lumina said:

Ava

so the common theme between Tr Saturn conjunct n Saturn and Tr Saturn conjunct sa Saturn was isolation, being out in the cold (literally!), and feeling abandoned?

Ah, we were writing at the same time (Hi! ) so I am only just now seeing your list above. I'll have to go over that more later, as I'm heading out. 

Tr Saturn conjunct my pr Saturn when my third child was born (and his chart is so much like my dad's, their suns are conjunct and everything.) It hit my natal Saturn the next year.

Around July 23, 2005, the sun and tr Saturn were transiting conjunct my natal Saturn. (Interesting, since my sun and Saturn are in mutual reception).

I don't recall anything from this time period precisely, except that it was our first summer at the country property, and my baby was ADORABLE (wish I had a YouTube clip of him to show you....huge blue eyes with long eyelashes, and a little natural mohawk!) I would actually cry that he was going to grow up all too soon and leave his tiny self behind. 

Tr Saturn did not Rx over my natal Saturn, I only got one pass. But it did go over my ASC and my father's moon, around the time he was hospitalized for the beginning of his 7-month decline and passing.

More later.

[Ava]

Feb 5, 2019 20:41:29 GMT lumina said:

sorry I think I edited your post and posted my answer in there.

LOL, it's all good.

[lumina]

Ava

very interesting. Actually I think I might have had my Saturn return in july, well some year before. lol It coincided practically exactly with having started my practical education, the final part of becoming a teacher, a teacher in training, which was a pretty workintense time, but also very interesting experiences, not all good, not all bad, and when the Saturn return hit I moved out from home into that village my school would be, and had to take responsibility (financial and otherwise) for myself for the first time in my life. and being quite alone there, I mean away from family and my best friend.

[Ava]

That's interesting lumina ^

Speaking of isolation, I have tr Saturn conjunct my sun at the moment, and I have to keep my distance with family members and not go out as much, because this cold I have is really bad.

"sa DESC conjunct Vertex 0°30 s (one of my favourite ones, too bad it is gone now) (august 2018 - it was exact to one minute at the "coffee-date" )"

Hey now, isn't that beautiful?

"sa Mars square Chiron 0°05 s (januaryy 2019)"

And you survived! Well done.

"Tr Mars conjunct sa Jupiter 0°49 s
Tr Sun conjunct sa Venus 0°08a"

Those look GOOD! Are you seeing P then? I hope you remember to come back to this thread and maybe comment on how those transits played out.

"But about 5 years ago there might have been sa Pluto on your NN; right? was that coinciding closely with sa Venus on your Sun? That should have been a significant time, something that would definitely influence your direction in life. I mean Pluto-NN is MAJOR, and as I said Venus-Sun is something pretty personal, love, friendship, becoming yourself (becauser Sun rules your chart), a waking up taking place somehow. Maybe also a change in how you communicate and bring yourself across (Pluto in his association with the 3rd house for you). that would have been in 2013-2014 I think."

I'm such a boring person, I fail to produce drama where others have succeeded, and where I OUGHT to succeed!

LOL, well, talking to you is always exciting, but it IS ongoing, so those years don't stand out for me, with respect to conversation with you. In those years you mentioned, I was talking to someone who had a profound effect in re-shaping my worldview. That wasn't really a Venus highlight in a romantic sense, but that "relationship" split my life into before and after, where afterwards I understood life differently, which changed how I see myself, my goals, my notions about what love is.

[lumina]

Ava



"Hey now, isn't that beautiful?
"
It was!


"And you survived! Well done.
"
Yeah well it is not long separating, and actually I am heading into sa Chiron opposing Mars. lol 

It`s funny though I think it was most exact from 7th - 13th january with 0.00 orb. Of course solar arcs work with more orb than that precise one esp. if outer planets transit them, however it is sort of funny but this is of course the first week of P`s absence and being on the ship, but I guess more interesting than that, I was seeing his best friend on the lecture on 8th january (and technically the italian person of interest was "active" during that time too. lol remember the "aching heart" experience/ image? that was on 10th january, right in the middle of it, also have been to a cosmetician, and it really hurt this time, that piercing - Mars !- of my skin - Chiron ! ). 

But esp. that talk with MB about the gift, taking place just then, with him apparently having to express his gratitude or whatever by touching my arm, it reminds me how when I was approaching P about having given me some gifts 2 years ago, he also was stroking my arm, and right around that time I was having sa ASC square Chiron exact. Just such a funny coincidence. lol 


But I guess there can several different manifestations of an aspect, and I definitely also experienced the more difficult ones. 
Let`s not forget Chiron was an abandoned child, in some way that is a chironic issue too to deal with, fear of abandonment or actual abandonment and sort of making that into a strength. 
(he developed compassion and became a healer, and eventually even forgave his mother for the abandonment understanding why she did it - he had been conceived because Saturn had raped his mother - and they reconciled, but only after Chiron grew up and had founded his own family, btw quite a happy one, which you would not have expected with that childhoodtrauma. )





"Tr Mars conjunct sa Jupiter 0°49 s

Tr Sun conjunct sa Venus 0°08a"



Those look GOOD! Are you seeing P then?"
Yes, though maybe they won`t play out, or not with P. Could be, right?
my sa Venus is also exact on my Draco Uranus (which squares his Draco Pluto). 


Anyway I have just curiously glanced at the partile transits to our composite for sunday evening (the big event). Well of course he could always cancel because he is sick or something, but if he is going to be there, these are the transits to the composite, and they do not really look all that funny. 



Tr Sun opposite c-Saturn - yeah did I forget to mention this? my sa Venus is opposing c-Saturn. lol 0°12 a
Tr Sun trine c-NN (0°51s)

Tr Mars trine c-Sun (I think when the concert starts there will be a triple stellium of Moon, Mars, Uranus) (1°00 s)
Tr Moon trine c-Sun (1°21 a, and becoming exact somewhen that evening)

Tr Saturn conjunct c-Venus (0°02 a)
Tr Saturn square c-Pluto (0°45 s - basically this will be on the way out for now, it was exact on 3rd-4th february, so last sunday)

Tr Uranus conjunct c-Chiron (0°42 a)

Tr Neptune square c-Neptune (0°03 s)

Tr Pluto conjunct c-Moon (0°56 a - we have just begone the partile orb of that aspect, which will first become exact in march, and then some more times over summer)
Tr Pluto trine c-Juno (0°22 a)

Yeah such a lovely cheerful casual totally non-challenging picture, right? ROFL 

I mean seriously Tr Saturn conjunct c-Venus AND Tr Pluto conjunct c-Moon at the same time? I mean who wouldn`t want that? Except for everyone probably.  


and yes that day when the concert starts there will be: 

Moon 25°05 Aries
Mars 27°27 Aries
Uranus 29°07 Aries (MC on 29°31 Aries, DESC on 16 Aqua on my Moon, just for the starting point of course). 


When it is officially ended, 5 hours later (yes it is going to be a long day, actually even longer as we will be there like 3 hours before it starts, as my aquaintance obviously wants to meet some people for dinner before, but since she is the driver, I will just play along with it, but it will be a REALLY long weekend, the day before I will actually see Miss Saigon. lol)

anyway at the official end

Mars 27°35 Aries
Moon 27°41 Aries
Uranus 29°07 Aries


so by then Moon will have exacted the conjunction to Mars. 



" I was talking to someone who had a profound effect in re-shaping my worldview. That wasn't really a Venus highlight in a romantic sense, but that "relationship" split my life into before and after, where afterwards I understood life differently, which changed how I see myself, my goals, my notions about what love is."
That is an EXACT description of those two aspects I think!. the life splitting into before and after is so Pluto-Node-symbolism, the reshaping too, and the other one showed which area it pertained to. And well as I said maybe it is different here because it is Venus coming to Sun and not the other way round. 

[Ava]

Hi lumina,

"Let`s not forget Chiron was an abandoned child, in some way that is a chironic issue too to deal with, fear of abandonment or actual abandonment and sort of making that into a strength."

Hmm, yeah. My draconic Neptune is conjunct tropical Chiron and this probably doesn't give me any psychological advantages whatsoever. lol

"my sa Venus is also exact on my Draco Uranus (which squares his Draco Pluto)."

I've noticed a lot of connections between SA and draco, too, in this short time that I've been focused on solar arcs. Well, let's see if your Venus picks up a Uranus/Pluto square energy?

"Yeah such a lovely cheerful casual totally non-challenging picture, right? ROFL"

Oof. It actually looks hard. But you always go into these things as a resilient person, taking the good with the bad and just carrying on, either way. So I don't worry. The outcome is usually the same, whether it was emotionally uplifting or crushing, you process it and proceed.

"anyway at the official end
Mars 27°35 Aries
Moon 27°41 Aries
Uranus 29°07 Aries"

Whoaaaaaa, and that's trine your suns! I want to predict some fun going on then!

"That is an EXACT description of those two aspects I think!. the life splitting into before and after is so Pluto-Node-symbolism, the reshaping too, and the other one showed which area it pertained to. And well as I said maybe it is different here because it is Venus coming to Sun and not the other way round."

Thank you for highlighting this. Well around that time, tr Saturn was on my NN, and I had a nodal return, and it all just feels like so much of a learning time. However, it's unfinished and has left me with ghosts. I mean, I feel the need to "replace" that person with other teachers, to take me further along on that journey or something similar, but that hasn't happened. And I was told that I have to become my own teacher, self-reliant, but I'm more of the persuasion that gurus serve a useful purpose.

[lumina]

Ava



"Hmm, yeah. My draconic Neptune is conjunct tropical Chiron and this probably doesn't give me any psychological advantages whatsoever. lol
"
I am not sure. Well it is through acknowledging your vulnerability that you can get in touch with your spirituality I suppose. 

My tropical Chiron falls onto my Draco Sun/Venus and Draco Mercury/Venus midpoints and Draco Vesta. I guess love in the Sun-Venus-kind of way is not reachable for me except for going through Chiron first. Damn it, ic ould have been easy, you know?  





"I've noticed a lot of connections between SA and draco, too, in this short time that I've been focused on solar arcs. "
yes, there is some. 

my sa Jupiter (26 Aries) has just passed my Draco Venus (0°13 s - it happened simultaneously with sa Jupiter trine tropical Sun, as my Draco Venus trines my tropical Sun with 1 minute or so)

my sa ASC is heading towards my Dr MC - it will still take 2-3 years to reach it, but some of the stellium around my ASC already has reached or passed it. 

sa Neptune conjunct Dr MC - 6 minutes separating, so most active last month (unclear direction?)


sa NN conjunct Dr MC - 0°19 s (this was exact during october)

of course about 3 years after that my sa NN will reach Dr Pluto 


sa Sun and sa Mercury separating from an opposition to Dr Chiron on 9 leo (1°01s for the Sun, 0°08 for Mercury)

sa Venus applying to conjunct Dr Uranus (0°07 a - most exact next month)


sa IC is on 19°55 Taurus, not yet in orb for the square to my Dr Uranus on 21 Aquarius, however it IS definitely in orb of being conjunct P`s Draco Pluto on 20°00 Taurus. 



"Well, let's see if your Venus picks up a Uranus/Pluto square energy?
"
well my sa Venus is already separating fromt he square to his Draco Pluto, it was exact last january or so. actually right on the last workshop. his wife`s Draco Sun is on 19-20 Aquarius, and well she was there as well, so we were having a Dr Uranus, a Dr Sun and a Dr Pluto in the room. lol that was kind of hilarious, yes!



Too bad his best friend wasn`s there too back then, he is having Dr Sun at 18 Scorpio and Dr Mars at 21 Scorpio.





But that was when my sa Venus (tropical) was exactly squaring his Dr Pluto.



Actually it is too bad that I am not going to see BOOH and/ or the "Italian person of interest" on sunday, as my sa Venus is conjunct his Sun and squaring his Pluto, okay separating probably, but still well in orb. 



The outcome is usually the same, whether it was emotionally uplifting or crushing, you process it and proceed.
"

Yes, though the last month, while it did have its perks, was pretty hard emotionally. I guess I can deal with drama, what I cannot deal with well is "nothing" happening, stagnation, boredom. LOL 





"Whoaaaaaa, and that's trine your suns! I want to predict some fun going on then!
"
Let`s hope so. also conjuncts my sa Jupiter on 26 Aries, my Dr Venus on 25°57 Aries and P`s Dr Saturn on 25°20 Aries and his Dr Vertex on 27°08 Aries. 

" I mean, I feel the need to "replace" that person with other teachers, to take me further along on that journey or something similar, but that hasn't happened. And I was told that I have to become my own teacher, self-reliant, but I'm more of the persuasion that gurus serve a useful purpose."
I know what you mean. However I think both is important, having people who inspire you (don`t like the word Guru), but also to become self-reliant in this regard. Gurus serve a purpose, but maybe not for you at the current time? Have you in the past used gurus as crutches so to speak, leaving the learning and teaching process to them, instead of initiate it yourself? Then the universe might just point out to you that you need to be able to do both, being initiative and receptive. 

[Ava]

lumina

Yeah I use that word a bit tongue-in-cheek, "guru." I'm just prone to hero-worship when someone's abilities go beyond what I thought possible, I revere them a bit and want to learn. The person I'm referring to paid to be taught some of those skills, and honestly it comes down to funding, and the fact that I haven't been able to buy whatever I want, like Reiki healing and lessons, or sweat lodge retreats, or whatever sounds fun. It IS my own fault for not learning meditation and other simple things that can be done at home. I mean, my NN is in the 4H. At best, I become Cinderella, so lovely that even the mice and birds are charmed into helping me with housework. lol

Well there is just a lot of room for improvement and growth in my life. But I do think Scorpio NN wants to grow alongside someone else, I mean...something about Scorpio is always crying out for bonding. It's interesting to me that one of my major inspirations, Eckhart Tolle, has a Taurus NN, and he talks about recovering from depression, and one of the major things that got him down was, he didn't have a fulfilling love life or see himself as attractive. So he gave that up and found Taurus-type zen, that groundedness. But that's my starting point. I'm supposed to learn to be depressed that I'm lonely, really connect with the pain.

"sa Venus applying to conjunct Dr Uranus (0°07 a - most exact next month)"

Wow -- nice. I adore Venus/Uranus contacts. Though my SA Venus will square natal Uranus in about 15 years and my knee-jerk reaction to that is a kind of dread. But I'm determined to age with spunk.

"sa IC is on 19°55 Taurus, not yet in orb for the square to my Dr Uranus on 21 Aquarius, however it IS definitely in orb of being conjunct P`s Draco Pluto on 20°00 Taurus."

A little difficult, isn't it? IC = Pluto

Maybe there's a technical reason to *not* mix solar arcs and draconic, I just can't think of what it is.

Well draconic to me is like the skeleton of existence, the code for what is actually happening underneath the more superficial blur of life...draconic is kind of immoveable, non-negotiable, and transcendent. There's a magic and power to it (maybe because it's geared off the north node? So these points come alive, the more you're evolving consciously in the direction of your NN?) So then, when the solar arc dial locks into the pegs of the draconic natal chart at certain times, then yes, I would expect some deeper realities to make themselves known.

Like when all hell broke loose at LL, my SA Mercury @ 16°44 Pisces (rectified) conjunct draco Uranus @ 16°35 Pisces. And what in the world was even going on there? (Neptunian dream-like scenario that barely makes sense....someone wants me dead? And my "friends" step out to support this person? What the actual f*ck was that all about?) This was all the rumble underneath my tropical 8H Pisces moon, deep and disastrous problems ensuing from being too tolerant in the first place.

"actually right on the last workshop. his wife`s Draco Sun is on 19-20 Aquarius, and well she was there as well, so we were having a Dr Uranus, a Dr Sun and a Dr Pluto in the room. lol that was kind of hilarious, yes!"

Ha...well it's like, your Uranian dynamite threatened to explode their sun-Pluto synastry square? But subtly. I suppose these are all the actual psychological vectors, but the way people play their cards, that's a whole different thing.

You know what would be over-complicated, but fun? SA draconic charts. Astro.com won't supply a chart, but just in my head I can realize that things were shaking up when my draco sun (25 Taurus) solar arc'd to hit my natal Mars and draco Mercury (15-16 Gemini), around age 20.

"...the 'Italian person of interest' on sunday, as my sa Venus is conjunct his Sun and squaring his Pluto, okay separating probably, but still well in orb."

Impressive, how this reflects the fact that he's even a person of interest.

Well my SA Cap Venus trine my SN and grand-trine the sun of someone I loved in the past, I think that's all very neat, mathemathically and experientially. Trines are supposed to not cause anything (?) but maybe that's more a masculine-astrologer opinion, because boys like seeing things collide, explode, big drama (*square* action), and maybe feminist astrology ought to make a case for gentle happenings like "Ah, that was just a sweet moment. Loved it." (trine action)

I'm just being silly but I do wonder about that just a little. I mean, as far as I know, men were the major architects of astrology.

" I guess I can deal with drama, what I cannot deal with well is 'nothing' happening, stagnation, boredom. LOL "

But *I'M* here.

"Then the universe might just point out to you that you need to be able to do both, being initiative and receptive."

True

[lumina]

Ava


so you are working on becoming Cinderella? Good plan! Let me know if the birds begin to do the work for you.  






"Though my SA Venus will square natal Uranus in about 15 years and my knee-jerk reaction to that is a kind of dread."
Well, it seems from past conversations that your knee-jerk reaction to most outer planetary transits or arc is a kind of dread. No need for dread, and no use to do so though. I mean it comes anyway, if you dread it or not.
But that sense of dread is probably the awareness that the outer ones bring the necessity of change, though usually it is more the sa Uranus to Venus that brings that big change, Venus to Uranus is a bit like a long lasting Venus transit to Uranus, seems less intense but more pleasant to me, though sometimes it can add to another bigger arc of course and bring the excitement and thrhill. At least Venus-Uranus is fun. 



"A little difficult, isn't it? IC = Pluto
"
Intense probably. Well interestingly my Draco Pluto is conjunct HIS Draco IC natally. 




"the code for what is actually happening underneath the more superficial blur of life.."
I see it that way, too.


." So then, when the solar arc dial locks into the pegs of the draconic natal chart at certain times, then yes, I would expect some deeper realities to make themselves known.
"
Good thinking! Well I can of course attest for my sa Jupiter conjunct Draco Venus having been really nice in having been on the receiving end of some sense of appreciation. I´ve come to the conclusion that this is what it was. Well MB was pointing out that I was "inspiring" P to that obviously grand dramatic comedic scene! (love the way he expressed that, and I like the thought of having been "an inspiration" ), and I just decided to see that as a gift, well of course it was for the show, but he did not need to do that, singing that song, just because I wished for it. 

And I can of course re-listen to the way he was talking about it on the podcast, as it was recorded, and it`s just nice to "hear" that smile when he was talking about that incident and me in particular. Of course in a slightly teasing way, but after I started to feel less startled over apparently having become too transparent in my apprecation of him/ them, it also become clearer to me that after overcoming my feelings of embarassment at so much exposure (chiron?) that obviously the very fact of my appreciation made HIM smile, which sais something, too. Just a moment in time of course, but a precious one to me. 





"Like when all hell broke loose at LL, my SA Mercury @ 16°44 Pisces (rectified) conjunct draco Uranus @ 16°35 Pisces."
Crazy, but yes, I get it. When WAS the hell breaking lose? I kind of forgot the date?


"Ha...well it's like, your Uranian dynamite threatened to explode their sun-Pluto synastry square? But subtly. "
Maybe, I seem to be a little like an Uranian energy or something in that regard.
Personally I think their Draco-Draco synastry is a little challenging, well we grow with our challenges and they have also good stuff going on there, but some of the squares and oppositions, I really wouldn`t want near my most intimate relationship, as a marriage should be. (I consider squares if very tight also because of the skipped step scenario. I mean if a square to the nodal axis is representing a skipped step, so it would be the same in Draco I suppose). 

Well some handpicked aspects the have from DRaco-Draco

his Draco Uranus opposite her Draco Jupiter and square her Draco Mars exact
his Draco Pluto square her Draco Sun exact
her Draco Saturn opposite his Draco Mars and Draco Jupiter and square his Draco Mercury exact

with a bit of more orb there is also 

her Draco Uranus conjunct his Avx, opposing his Saturn and squaring his Sun, Moon, MC


I wouldn`t mind the Uranus ones too much, actually that is more sparkling than anything to me, but Draco Saturn challenging Mars, Jupiter AND Mercury, including the rulers of the 1st, 10th, 4th and 7th house plus the 3rd house ruler? No, thanks. I wouldn`t want that. Well he has Saturn on the DESC natally, so maybe HE wants that. lol 
But can any Mars-Jupiter-conjunction man really want someone constantly saturnizing him? I can hardly imagine to be honest. 
But of course it is not my business. And I am one to talk, We have a lot of other callenges like Pluto. lol And obviously his Saturn is conjunct my Venus in Draco. but at least not a square. 


"You know what would be over-complicated, but fun? SA draconic charts. Astro.com won't supply a chart, "
I know!

"Impressive, how this reflects the fact that he's even a person of interest.
"
He is. and yesterday and today for some reason more than the recent 2 weeks. weird. 
maybe it is the transiting Sun. 





W" for gentle happenings like "Ah, that was just a sweet moment. Loved it." (trine action)
"
I think that describes the trine neatly. Well no, trines and sextiles do not make things happen. They just don`t. No big changes, no shocking revelations, no rattling and shaking and rolling in the hay or elsewhere. No packing up things and leaving the house at night at the whim of a decision because the push just became too strong. 

However what they do offer is this flow, and that can be nice, just as you said, a sweet moment. And we should cherish those sweet moments. They are lovely, even if they will not change our life within a second (though they can add to the change and of course slowly flowing gently towards an evolvement. Something like: "Oh that was nice. I think I want more of that" and then quietly flowing towards more of it)


" But *I'M* here.
"
You know, waht I meant! I need the drama of being sort of told I am being stupid. LOL I guess though I am a weird case, I actually love being told things, if someone explains things to me, esp. if I like them, it`s almost like I feel like it is a subtle form of caring (like why would anyone make the effort to explain something, if it would be easier to just let it slide and it doesn`t even matter if I get it or not). 
It also reminded me of the first time we talked to each other, of course he was explaining something to me then, too. lol Well he is a Sag, I suppose Sag men just love being able to teach other people things.