progressed Moon square natal Saturn

[lumina]

I am interested to learn how this felt for you, esp. in the month it was exact, and what happened, if you want to share, of course. 

[Ava]

Long ago and far away...

Well for Scorpio, if my chart's right, this was exact just before Halloween, 1992. I loved my boyfriend, I was happy, and it was a golden era. At that time, my sun was sandwiched between tr Uranus (14 Cap) and tr Neptune (16 Cap), which was probably the overriding influence, with everything electric and dreamy. Right on time, he broke it off when my pr moon was conjunct pr Uranus, and the rest of my pr moon in Scorpio experience was typical Scorpio moon misery, but I guess that's besides the point. The higher you fly, the faster you fall, I guess that was what pr moon square natal Saturn was setting me up for, unbeknownst to me. My Saturn's in the 12H, I didn't see any warning signs.

But okay, life goes on, and the next square (advantages of being old, you can come up with astrology examples) coincided with my father dying. It was exact about a month before he died, and I remember visiting him at one hospital where neither of us had ever been before...his rehab center had transferred him there, and it was a strange place. His room was vividly white, with a huge window, and it really seemed like a scene from the afterlife already because it was so stark white. I had expected to find him unconscious, so I was amazed that I walked in, and he woke up, rather lucid, but confused. "What *is* this place?" he asked. "It's weird, isn't it?" I said. "YES!" he said, still marveling. I felt like the room was staged to trick its patients into thinking they'd already died, and I think for a moment there my dad wondered what planet or dimension we were in.

Meh, maybe I'm oversharing, might delete, but those were highly personal times, and no wonder, when my sun's in mutual reception with Saturn.

[lumina]

Ava

thank you for sharing. I am sorry about the misery it accompanied. Wondering if in the first case you mentioned it was exact when you were happy or when you were broken up?

I have to look it up in my own charts, but I do realize that actually I was having the progressed conjunction at a very significant turning point in my life.

Well the question also came up for me, because I had been ordering the midpoint report at cafe astrology (it is not that expenseive I think) and they are listing not just midpoints but also the major transits and aspects of progressed Moon. And I realized that the EXACTING of pr Moon square natal Saturn for P and me happens simultaneously next year (7th and 8th january 2020 I believe), at least it was just one day apart, and timings like that just fascinate me. lol NOt that I could imagine it bringing anthing good of course. It is pr Moon square Saturn after all. But still what a precise timing, just like last year when we had pr Moon conjunct each other`s DESC within the same week (and coincidentally he scheduled the barbecue and meeting for right in that week). of course it back then meant pr Moon was conjunct DESC in the composite as well.

I guess it means that we are going to have pr Moon opposing Saturn in the composite next year then (well it had to be a conjunction/ opposition rather than a square, as he is going to have the waning square (moving towards a new conjunction), and I am going to have the waxing square (the first square after the progressed Moon-SAturn-conjunction I had roughly 7 years ago).


Hmm, oh stupid me, I was wrong, in our case it is going to be the conjunction, as of course both are in Leo.

So pr composite Moon conjunct composite Saturn on 21°50 Leo on 8 january next year. (about 1-2 months after pr Moon conjunct pr Saturn in composite)
Well had to be of course, if each of us have the progressed-natal square on practically the same day, the composite conjunction had to be on that day, too.

[Ava]

Hi lumina ,

"Wondering if in the first case you mentioned it was exact when you were happy or when you were broken up?"

Happy, but he was miserable because it was wrestling season, and that involved starvation, long practices, intense pressure, and I basically was wondering why that sport was even legal, it created so much suffering for the athletes, as he described it. So I was always worried about him, he'd fall asleep on the phone or while we were watching a movie, he just had no energy to spare. And he broke up with me about 6 months later, which happened out of nowhere, not precipitated by an argument or any other problem I was aware of.

So who knows how long he was planning to do that? I mean, maybe he was trying to get out of the relationship early on, but I was oblivious? I could ask him now, but he's probably as reluctant to hurt my feelings now as he was back then. All I know is that he wanted to date other girls.

I went through such hell with pr moon in Scorpio. My pr moon returns there about a year from now, but at least it's moving into a perfect trine with my pr sun, which will still be @ 0 Pisces.

"And I realized that the EXACTING of pr Moon square natal Saturn for P and me happens simultaneously next year (7th and 8th january 2020 I believe), at least it was just one day apart, and timings like that just fascinate me."

What synchronization! I love this.

"So pr composite Moon conjunct composite Saturn on 21°50 Leo on 8 january next year. (about 1-2 months after pr Moon conjunct pr Saturn in composite)"

Well it's nice to know this in advance but it looks gloomy, and of course it has to happen in WINTER Maybe it'll turn out nice though, as it sextiles your comp NN-Mars, and pr comp moon moves into a trine with your suns.

[lumina]

Ava

"And he broke up with me about 6 months later, which happened out of nowhere, not precipitated by an argument or any other problem I was aware of.
"
That sounds like a textbook case of pr Moon conjunct Uranus to me. 
especially since it involves your DESC-ruler. 


"My pr moon returns there about a year from now, but at least it's moving into a perfect trine with my pr sun, which will still be @ 0 Pisces.
"
That sounds good, like a new beginning to at the beginning of the sign!
I am going to have pr Moon trine pr Sun this year, just after the pr Moon was conjunct pr Pluto. 

pr Moon conjunct pr Pluto: 21st-22nd june
pr Moon trine pr Sun: 18th-19th august. 

however the Moon/Sun midpoint will fall onto pr Neptune as I just see. No clue what to think of that. 

pr Moon 11°25 Libra
pr Sun 11°25 Aquarius
pr Neptune 11°19 Sag

curiously enough P has pr Moon on 21°37 Gemini opposing pr Neptune on 21°49 Sag the same day. 
Well just 2 weeks before he has the exact transit of Tr Pluto to his natal Pluto on 21°23 Libra, and the month before sa Mars conjunct Pluto (9th july), just a little after my pr Moon conjunct Pluto becoming exact. 


So seems my progressed trine is a bit fraught with Neptune and Pluto, so no clue if I will be a good sounding board for you, as it seems a little complicated in my case. 

It is downright funny, but coincidentally I am going to see him in july and august in that village we met in last year. lol 




"Well it's nice to know this in advance but it looks gloomy, and of course it has to happen in WINTER "
Yeah I know.  
Well will be significant I guess, though we just have the pr fullmoon, and I don´t quite see it. lol (of ocurse it is a phase that has just started). 

pr Moon-Saturn might be either totally gloomy, separative, isolating, depressing or , if it behaveas really well, constructive, in some way. 

[lumina]

BTW my pr Moon conjunct pr Saturn happened in december 2013, just a bit after we "re-met" so to speak, at least I was approaching him on a backstage event, when we were both were basically leaving, though I am not exactly sure if it was really me or him approaching, I guess I made almost the first step, but then when considering to just leave without talking to him, he was blocking the exit and therefore not really leaving me a choice. lol

Well he left then for a cruise, a musical-job, but his now wife accompanied him on that cruise (also being hired for a show program, well he apparently helped her to that job, in return she got pregnant, either shortly before or on that cruise I suppose).
For me personally I was leaving for a trip to London to spend new year there and also seeing Jude Law on stage, as Henry V. which was great btw. the conjunction became exact really on the 1st or 2nd january. lol


P had sa Moon opposing his Saturn on the exact day he was first mentioning his "future mother-in-law" on a concert (at least as I heard it), about a month after they made their relationship official I think. Well SHE made it official on her fb back then, he only did so when they got married. At the point when they made it official, his pr Moon was just exactly conjunct his ASC and then the month after that opposing his Saturn and squaring his Sun.


well next year he is going to have pr Moon on 26 Gemini squaring his Saturn first and then a week later on 16th january his pr Moon will be opposing his natal Sun. of course it means that his pr Moon will be opposing MY natal Sun a bit before (on 18th december 2019, so right on my birthday. lol)

[Ava]

Ah so much good stuff lumina !

(Where is everyone else by the way? Anyone reading can chime in!)

"That sounds like a textbook case of pr Moon conjunct Uranus to me.
especially since it involves your DESC-ruler."

VERY impressively textbook example!

"however the Moon/Sun midpoint will fall onto pr Neptune as I just see. No clue what to think of that. "

Ha, well you can get used to the feeling since you won't have a clue what to think then, either.

Kidding But you know. #Neptune

"curiously enough P has pr Moon on 21°37 Gemini opposing pr Neptune on 21°49 Sag the same day."

I think it's practically an astral plane date already.

"Well will be significant I guess, though we just have the pr fullmoon, and I don´t quite see it. lol (of ocurse it is a phase that has just started)."

Hmm. That is peculiar, but let's give it more time. It's cool that the full moon is in LEO, an especially good time for him to announce he's playing Jesus Christ Superstar....am I right?

Well I looked for a pr moon-Saturn conjunction in composite with my husband, and I don't recall anything significant happening at then (early 2015), except we were deciding to definitely sell our country property, which was sad....our composite has Saturn-IC and we have not had great luck settling into the right house.

"BTW my pr Moon conjunct pr Saturn happened in december 2013, just a bit after we "re-met" so to speak, at least I was approaching him on a backstage event, when we were both were basically leaving"

I remember this! We've known each other a WHILE now, and I can't believe it was that long ago!

"For me personally I was leaving for a trip to London to spend new year there and also seeing Jude Law on stage, as Henry V. which was great btw. the conjunction became exact really on the 1st or 2nd january. lol"

Pr moon-Saturn to-do list:

1) Visit a really old city that houses a really old monarchy
2) Do this during Cap season
3) Watch a play about old monarchy, starring a Capricorn

Yep, I think you got that about right. Well done. lol

For mine.......oh, October 2013. That was around the time of my nodal return, and tr Saturn through Scorpio, and I remember learning a lot, but I'd probably have to go back to LL and look at old posts to see what I was actually doing and thinking, since it was like my online diary, a scattered "blog" within a forum.

"P had sa Moon opposing his Saturn on the exact day he was first mentioning his "future mother-in-law" on a concert"

Weird...I wonder what that's about. SA PISCES moon when he got engaged? Poor guy. 'Didn't know what he was doing. 

"of course it means that his pr Moon will be opposing MY natal Sun a bit before (on 18th december 2019, so right on my birthday. lol)"

Pr full moon...don't we only get a few of those per lifetime?

My last pr full moon in autumn 2015 @ 26 Aqua/Leo hit my draconic Jupiter @ 26 Leo, and we were traveling, but I wasn't enjoying it (husband's natal Mars @ 25 Leo). I was emotional, alright, but not in a good way. Just wanted my independence and to live a beautiful life on my own terms, and the circumstances highlighted my inability to do so (not right then), resulting in maximum frustration. Maybe my next pr new moon @ 10 Pisces will teach me something about using supernatural power to get through life's obstacles, because so far all my dabbling has failed to produce the right effects. I think. 

[12YearsABlob]

It was a particularly unpleasant time for me. There was an ongoing "incident" the month it was exact, because Pr Moon at that degree triggered my natal Mars (I have that tightly square Saturn). I guess that's why there was a bit of a Martian edge.

In general, I'd imagine it shows a forced "growing up" period, being yanked out of childhood or innocence.. Moon-Saturn themes, needing to toughen up. Or, perhaps just a sobering incident or two.

[lumina]

Ava

"Where is everyone else by the way? Anyone reading can chime in!)"
Yes, exactly.



"you won't have a clue what to think then, either. "
LOL Yes. 4


"It's cool that the full moon is in LEO, an especially good time for him to announce he's playing Jesus Christ Superstar....am I right? "
I don`t know if it is a particularly good time, but Moon in Leo is nice, I geuss. well our composite Moon is in leo.



2Well I looked for a pr moon-Saturn conjunction in composite with my husband, and I don't recall anything significant happening at then (early 2015),"
Possibly it was the beginning of a cycle, that showed its face later on? in the process? LIke even though on a new moon a seed is being layed, it is invisible for some time?



"I remember this! We've known each other a WHILE now, and I can't believe it was that long ago!"
Yes, amazing!

"Pr moon-Saturn to-do list:

1) Visit a really old city that houses a really old monarchy
2) Do this during Cap season
3) Watch a play about old monarchy, starring a Capricorn"
LOL Yes, absolutely!

It was in a really old theatre, too.


Additionally there were other transits going on.


pr Moon 16 Cancer
n Saturn 16 Cancer

n Juno 16 Pisces
Tr Jupiter 16 Pisces

(Tr Saturn 20 Scorpio)

J`s NN 16 Capricorn
J`s Jupiter 17 Capricorn
J`s Shakespeare 16 Capricorn (he was born to play shakespeare )


my solar arc ASC 16°47 Capricorn
my natal Saturn 16°57 Cancer


It was curious.

Anyway interestingly the Saturn-transit was more exact during the time P and me "re-met"


my sa ASC 16°41 Capricorn
my pr Moon 15°21 Cancer
my pr Saturn 13°51 Cancer
my n Saturn 16°57 Cancer
Tr Venus 16°28 Capricorn
Tr Saturn 16°19 Scorpio
Tr Karma 17°08 Scorpio
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his sa Saturn 1°17 Scorpio
my n Uranus 1°21 Scorpio
his Sa DESC 0°12 Scorpio
(it had just passed into Scorpio 2 months before)
(his sa Venus 0°30 Pisces)

my sa Moon 26°46 Pisces
his n Saturn 26°42 Virgo
his n Sun 26°58 Sag




I`ve always kind of liked how we remet on the exact day of a Composite Venus-return for us, and well Transiting-Saturn-Karma sextile that Venus as well as conjunct our composite MC on 16 Scorpio (my pr MC was at 15 Scorpio at that time)

I just was always wondering how something that was pretty good and amazing (albeit just a few first cautious steps), could come along with Transitins Saturn EXACTLY square my Moon on 17 Aquarius. lol
maybe it helped that Tr Saturn-Karma ALSO was trine my Juno on 16°58 Pisces and Saturn on 16°57 Cancer as well as the progressed Moon.


"SA PISCES moon when he got engaged? "
well in the solar arcs solar arc Moon stays in one sign for 30 years, so I wouldn`t put too much emphasis on this, unless it is the first or last degree of the sign, I definitely felt the transition from 29 Pisces to 00 Aries in my own solar arc!


" 'Didn't know what he was doing. "
Well the aspect to Saturn seems to say otherwise. We might not like it particularly but I think he knew exactly what he was doing and why. He was stepping up in terms of accepting his personal responsibilities and making a real commitment. I am not exactly sure how easy that felt for him though.

Interestingly at that same time his pr Moon was making a trine to HER Saturn (27 Scorpio), and just a bit ago (october 2017), when his pr Moon was still in Taurus, his pr Moon was opposing her natal Saturn, while he himself was having pr Moon trine pr Saturn.


well actually that was interesting with his pr Moon around that time

his pr Moon 25 Taurus
his pr Uranus 25 Scorpio
his n Venus 25 Capricorn
his n Saturn 26 Virgo

her pr Saturn 25 Scorpio, retrograde, just having entered the degree
(Her n Saturn 27 Scorpio)

my pr Mercury 25 Aquarius
my pr Vertex 25 Leo





"Pr full moon...don't we only get a few of those per lifetime?"
Well it is not really a pr full moon, as it is from his PROGRESSED to my NATAL, but yeah, we do not get all that many of those either.
My pr Moon was exactly opposing his natal Sun in the summer of 2012, when I showed up at an open air musical again, and he apparently noticed. lol (I had stayed away for 8-9th months, after basically just walking out on him, feeding my paranoia on new years eve)


My own progressed fullmoon took place in may 2015 on 7 Leo (to 7 Aqua).
It was a very busy time, stressful and exhausting, too, bringing a lot of publicity to me and responsibility, and the feeling of basically being almost on my own. IN that months I had been organizing a theatre play with two local actors at our school and first of all I did not even wnat the job to being with but ended up with it nevertheless feeling completely NOT suitable. lol And secondly I was simply overwhelmed with the task and also was being left very much on my own with no support from my colleagues. On the flip side, the two pupils who were responsible for technical things, were really up for the job. lol The two actors were nice people and quite chatty. lol And I learned more about sound and light that is needed for even just the most simple of performances than I would ever have dreamed of before. lol

And at the same time I also had to organize a classtrip with pupils to the Bretagne (this time with another colleagues, so we were in it togehter, but the tensions ran very high. Well her Taurus Sun is basically square that fullmoon of mine back then. We are getting along very fine though nowadays, maybe it makes itself felt that her Sun actually is trine my Venus, and now that my progressed Moon has long passed from the square it got easier). The organization was a nightmare, cause the pupils and parents were irrational and unreasonable, the colleague and me were both inexperienced, and another colleague who was intended to come with us on the trip, was cancelling basically one day before leaving! Some pupils were pulling quite some crap during the trip, and a scheduled program was also cancelled on short notice (half a day before), so I had to do the guiding-tour through this village I had never been to before.

But for all the hassle and chaos and feeling of having to shoulder on too much responsibility, but not in a Saturnian way, it was mor that kind of challenge that just makes you notice that you underestimated your own abilities. lol anyway it was also exciting and I like thinking back on the trip because most of it was really great, esp. the landscape. lol

And of course a month after that I was to that open air, where I found myself applauding something P did on stage, as the only person of 3000 people nad he was of course teasing me about it (everything for the show. but I still think the other 3000 people were just to dumb to get it. lol)

And around that time he also announced that first fanmeeting, I wrote a message basically saying that I thought it was a great idea, and I would like to come, but probably wouldn`t cause I am just a shy person, and he was basically ordering me to come there, and coincidentally I saw him the day after and at some point in the show he was just looking at me as if he was seeing me for the first time, I mean I could literally SEE some sort of epiphany taking place on his face (I suppose, maybe, when I explained me not attending probably, because I was "shy", he might have seen my prior behaviour in a different light. But of course I do not know, it was jsut a very special moment there, and well followed by the fanmeeting, which I DID attend despite not knowing anybody and being shy, which he used to grill me all through it.) So I`d say the exact fullmoon was just a start in my case, and things were sort of evolving in a process of about 3 months following, especially. Thsoe were very busy 3 months. lol Of ocurse I also was in the phase of solar arc Venus conjunct my Moon and solar arc NN conjunct my Sun/Moon-mp.

Of course half a year after my fullmoon was a not so pleasant time.

[lumina]

12YearsABlob

sorry it was so tough for you, but Mars-Saturn-square sounds so harsh to me, and sensitive, so no matter what activates it, it would be probably vulnerable, and there are definitely more soothing transit-activation than this one.

[Ava]

Feb 2, 2019 21:50:00 GMT lumina said:

"It's cool that the full moon is in LEO, an especially good time for him to announce he's playing Jesus Christ Superstar....am I right? "
I don`t know if it is a particularly good time, but Moon in Leo is nice, I geuss. well our composite Moon is in leo.

Hmm, I think you missed my joke...I was implying that a Leo full moon is so grandiose, it's like the person feels they are God (aka Jesus).  

Okay, maybe not too funny.

More to say...

[lumina]

Ah yes, I missed the joke. lol

[Ava]

^ Sorry Leos.

Hi again lumina,

"Possibly it was the beginning of a cycle, that showed its face later on? in the process? LIke even though on a new moon a seed is being layed, it is invisible for some time?"

Could be. Well I was just exploring dracos + midpoints last night, considered posting on that thread but I got too confused to formulate a thought worth reading...but I saw that my natal moon/Saturn mp is conjunct my draconic sun. Also my draconic moon is conjunct tropical Saturn. So I'm destined to reckon with...longstanding, repressed emotions?

Isn't that so "me," though? But I am sick of it and wish I were more driven by natural enthusiasm and emotion. I think the patriarchy and its mindsets are still governing me too much, through my past (Catholicism) and now my husband's attitudes, with a heavy emphasis on duty and drudgery, less value placed on simply trying to live the happiest life possible, within ethical bounds.

"It was in a really old theatre, too. "

Perfect!

"Additionally there were other transits going on.
pr Moon 16 Cancer
n Saturn 16 Cancer
n Juno 16 Pisces
Tr Jupiter 16 Pisces
(Tr Saturn 20 Scorpio)
J`s NN 16 Capricorn
J`s Jupiter 17 Capricorn
J`s Shakespeare 16 Capricorn (he was born to play shakespeare )"

ROFL....that is too cool.

"my solar arc ASC 16°47 Capricorn
my natal Saturn 16°57 Cancer"

Wow it just goes on and on, everything converging there. No wonder you were in such a larger-than-life setting and situation.

"Anyway interestingly the Saturn-transit was more exact during the time P and me "re-met"

Very cool. Not quoting but I took it in.

"I`ve always kind of liked how we remet on the exact day of a Composite Venus-return for us, and well Transiting-Saturn-Karma sextile that Venus as well as conjunct our composite MC on 16 Scorpio (my pr MC was at 15 Scorpio at that time)"

It's lovely.

"I just was always wondering how something that was pretty good and amazing (albeit just a few first cautious steps), could come along with Transitins Saturn EXACTLY square my Moon on 17 Aquarius. lol"

I can explain that. Aqua moons don't LIKE feelings, remember? Neither does Saturn in Scorpio. The play on the same team.

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I know I'm a bad astrologer but at least I don't charge money.

"I definitely felt the transition from 29 Pisces to 00 Aries in my own solar arc!"

What happened?

For me the last SA sign change corresponded very closely with that epic fallout from LL (speaking of bad astrologers...).

SA moon @ 29°56 Aries when I turned in my resignation there, but that's with my rectified birth time, so it could be more or less precise, but still, that was an extremely uproarious time, with my crown chakra buzzing full-blast for weeks, unexpectedly (never thought I could care what people thought of me, that much.) But I was done fighting (Aries). I was headed towards this garden (Taurus). lol

"He was stepping up in terms of accepting his personal responsibilities and making a real commitment. I am not exactly sure how easy that felt for him though."

Well I'm glad he's there for his sons when they are young.

"his pr Moon 25 Taurus
his pr Uranus 25 Scorpio
his n Venus 25 Capricorn
his n Saturn 26 Virgo"

Quoting this because it looks like such a harmonious group. Astro-aesthetic.

"My own progressed fullmoon took place in may 2015 on 7 Leo (to 7 Aqua).
...I like thinking back on the trip because most of it was really great, esp. the landscape. lol"

Yeah I am tending to think of full moons as just that: FULL. Everything included, the good with the bad. And this includes full moon synastry, by the way. In my life these tend to encompass contradictions, like "I hate and love that person." My sister's Cancer moon opposing my sun, for example.

"And of course a month after that I was to that open air, where I found myself applauding something P did on stage, as the only person of 3000 people nad he was of course teasing me about it (everything for the show. but I still think the other 3000 people were just to dumb to get it. lol)"

Honestly, they probably were. Well this is how Aqua becomes the oddball, by being smarter.

That reminds me, Justin Timberlake (Aqua sun) said that what caught his attention about his now-wife Jessica Biel (Aqua Mercury) is that he cracked a joke at a party once, and she burst out laughing, when nobody else even realized he had made a joke.

Interesting that my husband and I are attuned like that...his Leo sun-Uranus comes out with some extremely nutty observations, and my Aqua Mercury opposes that, and sometimes I know we are the only ones finding humor in certain things. It's another thing holding the marriage together.

"...coincidentally I saw him the day after and at some point in the show he was just looking at me as if he was seeing me for the first time, I mean I could literally SEE some sort of epiphany taking place on his face...So I`d say the exact fullmoon was just a start in my case, and things were sort of evolving in a process of about 3 months following, especially. Thsoe were very busy 3 months. lol Of ocurse I also was in the phase of solar arc Venus conjunct my Moon and solar arc NN conjunct my Sun/Moon-mp."

Awesome, I love this and remember how things unfolded, but I'd forgotten the astrology.

"Of course half a year after my fullmoon was a not so pleasant time."

Is that when they got married?

Let's see......

My SA Venus (@ 20.19 Cap now) conjunct tr Pluto has been drama galore, but these two have been tracking together for a while, so I don't know, maybe things are building up, but Cap won't bow down to emotion like other signs, and even the worst kind of turbulence is just another challenge to keep calm and carry on, like goats on ledges of cliffs, you just gotta find a way to deal with it. Or die. One or the other.

[lumina]

Ava



"rth reading...but I saw that my natal moon/Saturn mp is conjunct my draconic sun. Also my draconic moon is conjunct tropical Saturn."
definitely strong Moon-Saturn-symbolism there.

"So I'm destined to reckon with...longstanding, repressed emotions?
"
one possible manifestation, yes. Another would be getting real about emotions and especially emotional attachments and feeling responsibilities. Also possibly through that emotional sincerity getting in touch with a deeper part of your Self. Does not sound glamourous, but this IS part of your essential energy where you shine the most, In not shining on first glance, but through that subtle taking care of others. also through certain control-factors, or being very real, grounded and constructive/ effective getting in touch with your deeper emotional core. 


"I can explain that. Aqua moons don't LIKE feelings, remember? "
Nah, it`s not true. We like feelings a LOT (at least I do), we are just not comfortable with them, like a fish out of water so to speak.


"What happened?
"
My sa Moon changed signs.


But you probably meant in terms of real life events?


That was in february 2017; so just 2 months before I had attended that first workshop, when my sa Moon was still on 29 Pisces. 
Then in february it changed signs. and the next workshop took place at the end of february (with me baking bananabread, and everything else that followed. lol)


"SA moon @ 29°56 Aries when I turned in my resignation there, but that's with my rectified birth time, so it could be more or less precise, but still, that was an extremely uproarious time, with my crown chakra buzzing full-blast for weeks, unexpectedly (never thought I could care what people thought of me, that much.) But I was done fighting (Aries). I was headed towards this garden (Taurus). lol
"
LOL Yes, how fitting! well your rectified time seems very spot then.




"Quoting this because it looks like such a harmonious group. Astro-aesthetic.
"
Yeah, looking like it, however Moon opposing Uranus is not really that harmonious and there is of course Moon and Uranus on the Venus/Saturn-mp. 




Oh and I love that story about Timberlake and Biel!

"Is that when they got married?
"
Yeah, also for me I was having sa Neptune on the Sun/Moon-mp instead of the NOde, and additionally sa Mars opposing Saturn with Tr Saturn conjunct Mars exact and Tr Pluto opposing pr Saturn exact. 



"My SA Venus (@ 20.19 Cap now) conjunct tr Pluto has been drama galore,"

Interestign. seems your SA Venus is tracking my sa Mars (20°06 Cap), 

[Ava]

Thanks lumina . You are my psychotherapist. Thank you.

"Another would be getting real about emotions and especially emotional attachments and feeling responsibilities. Also possibly through that emotional sincerity getting in touch with a deeper part of your Self. Does not sound glamourous, but this IS part of your essential energy where you shine the most, In not shining on first glance, but through that subtle taking care of others. also through certain control-factors, or being very real, grounded and constructive/ effective getting in touch with your deeper emotional core."

Wow. Yeah I don't know. I do tend to take on subtle responsibilities within groups, usually I'm like an airplane stewardess, checking in with people and seeing if they're okay, need pillows or a drink. I'm not the airplane mechanic, pilot, navigator, or cook, doing the hard work. But I do take caring (moon) seriously (Saturn). I put myself out there for the people I love, but I think that's a Cap sun thing in general. I've seen one astrologer say that Saturn is like its own solar system, it's got so much going on with it, its own multitude of "planets" (moons) and "asteroid belt" (rings). Cap suns are like that, trying to hold people together around them. Obviously this can make us creepy and desperate at times. I know. So the people who seem to have any desire to willingly stick around, who see our whole gravity issue in a more positive light, words can't even express how much gratitude Caps have for these people, no favor is too big to ask, to repay them. But I guess that's tangential....

As for sincerity, sometimes it's hard to know if what I'm doing is smart, since my "gut reactions" aren't especially wise or well-trained, I mean I am impulsive and broken and know it, so often I just do what seems to rock the boat least, and maybe that means I'm making sacrifices and being far from comfortable. Sometimes I feel like everything is off track, that I need to rebuild my inner life from the ground up, re-align my chakras, heal, or else everything that flows from me is relatively pointless. But at least with astrology, there is the sanity of the science, events and planetary alignments that cannot be disputed, and the emotional component is often encoded there (like re-meeting H just before back-to-back eclipses squaring our nodal axises...axii...whatever.)

I am coming down with a very bad cold and I'm woozy and coughing by the way. Not great for staying right on point.

"My sa Moon changed signs.
But you probably meant in terms of real life events?
That was in february 2017"

Ah, so your SA moon sign change coincided with mine! Ohhh...because your moon is one degree before mine, and you're a year older. How do you like that?! And we both fled the coop (LL) at the same time.

"LOL Yes, how fitting! well your rectified time seems very spot then."

Yes........and thank you. I know you've said that a lot. Well I'm positive I was born right after dinner, so the time frame is known, like there is no way I was born earlier than 5 pm or later than 9 pm. And there can be a lot of precision still, if you have the birth time within 4 hours. (If you have the birthday in general. lol)

""Is that when they got married?"
Yeah, also for me I was having sa Neptune on the Sun/Moon-mp instead of the NOde, and additionally sa Mars opposing Saturn with Tr Saturn conjunct Mars exact and Tr Pluto opposing pr Saturn exact."

That's pretty rough, when malefics conspire that way. And CONFUSING that the marriage happened, when it doesn't really line up clearly...when they try and present themselves it seems to get even more confusing, and then you also have to reckon with the "dream" elements here: your actual dreams about him, and the fact that he's performing in roles, so it's hard to separate reality from fiction...sometimes they seem to clearly, definitively overlap, so it's not either/or, but both at once, myth and truth combined. Meh, speaking of Neptune, H got married in a year where his SA Neptune was almost exactly conjunct my Cap sun, applying ("Excuse YOU, sir!"...lol, for some reason this offends me), trine SA Virgo Saturn, with SA Scorpio Juno-Pluto-Mars on the midpoint, nicely wedged between our composite sun and NN, prime astro real estate if you want to say F you to someone else, you know? (I'm cracking myself up.) But hey at least he wasn't marrying *me* with SA Neptune on my sun. Cuz maybe that would backfire. And maybe our tenuous friendship is still going to backfire, but we made it past that window at least. 

Edit: I got confused and thought this was the solar arc thread. 

Wayyyy off topic, so I might erase some of this later.

[lumina]

Ava

"But I do take caring (moon) seriously (Saturn)."
Yes, that makes sense. P once mentioned how he tended to do the catering for the cast during rehearsals, well at least he did so in the past. I have the feeling this might have changed in the meantime.
But he is is still very caring towards children-actors, as I remember that he was packing parcels for their goodbye shows and telling each one of his "sons" (little Tarzan) goodbye. But he was like that even before having own kids. 





"Ah, so your SA moon sign change coincided with mine! Ohhh...because your moon is one degree before mine, and you're a year older. How do you like that?! And we both fled the coop (LL) at the same time.
"
Yes, all true. I think it also coincided with transiting node squaring my natal nodes for me. 




"That's pretty rough, when malefics conspire that way."
Yeah, well at least it was sa Mars opposing Saturn, not the other way round. which wuold have been worse, and honestly speaking when it was exact, it seems that our connection shifted in very constructive ways, so I am not sure, but I almost think that the worse thing was the Neptune-arc, or Mars-Saturn showed its challenging face before it got to work. lol

Interestingly P`s Mars-Jupiter had been squaring my Saturn a few months before, like attacking my poor Saturn. lol 




"And CONFUSING that the marriage happened, when it doesn't really line up clearly."
Well I have a lot to say about this... later


" H got married in a year where his SA Neptune was almost exactly conjunct my Cap sun, applying"
he disappeared on you.