Draco midpoints

[lumina]

I`ve long noticed that activated midpoints in synastry (something like A`s Sun conjuncts B`s Moon/Venus) is very significant (like B basically experiences a Moon-Venus-conjunction as long as A is present and in terms of the Sun-symbolism). 

However I´ve never before had the idea to check for midpoints between the draco charts, but just been thinking this might be interesting in that draconic sense. (I would use conjunction, opposition and square within 1- 1,5 degree orb for that). 

And if there are aspects between Dracos then of course we bring our natal midpoints along. 

Like my Venus is on my Jupiter/Uranus-mp (and some more serious ones), that will not change in Draconic chart. 
What changes is that, in Draco P`s Saturn is exactly conjunct my Venus, and hence also my Jupiter/Uranus. It is downright funny, but in TROPICAL checkup, my Saturn is squaring his Jupiter/Uranus-mp (and Mars/Uranus). Not that I think that is a particular nice one. On the other hand Jupiter-Uranus can go too far at times, so maybe it is not that bad after all. 

[Ava]

lumina

Layers upon layers...

Well Venus conjunct Saturn sounds boring but it can be explosive, in that Venus might be driven to pull out all the stops to charm Saturn into doing its bidding, to budge, bend, change the rules. Venus can give its all and clarify its desires against immovable Saturn...because hey, Venus is trapped there for a long time. (Does it sound like I'm speaking from experience? lol)

The Jupiter/Uranus understory here adds leverage to your Venus, I think. Well already, what's happened seems impossible, and often because of luck, timing, serendipty (like that guy READING P's notes aloud for a prank, and that's how you learned about driving him crazy).

As for Saturn involvement, maybe it just prolongs the time between highlights, but also makes sure that whatever happens has a tangible component (like surprise gifts back and forth?)

[lumina]

Ava

very interesting observations, I guess it could be a little explosive, being in Aries, too. Also my Draco Venus is of course also conjunct his Draco DESC; well in his chart Saturn is actually on the Sun/Moon-mp (well, squares it, but it counts. lol), quite a serious picture when it comes to relationships. but of course it means that while HIS Saturn is on my Venus (=Jupiter/Uranus), MY Venus is on his Saturn (=Sun/Moon). Well there are other midpoint pictures in there, like my Venus also being on my Sun/Saturn, Mercury/Saturn and Pluto/MC, so it is not all just Jupiter/Uranus for me.

And his Saturn has also a slew of midpoints (Sun/Moon, Sun/MC and the closest one and a conjunction, Pluto/Node)

And of course it means that my Draco Venus is right on his Draco Pluto/Node mp as well (in this instance with a conjunction), and on his Draco DESC. That is quite interesting. (tropically it is my Sun squaring his Pluto/Node very exactly).


As if we needed more of that serious stuff. lol



Anyway yes, you are right, so much serendiity, surprising stuff happening, and about that guy, it is so hilarious yet bewildering to me, how I have not even seen him for 4 years or so, but pretty much the moment he started working with P again (they had not done so for 4 years either), he suddenly decided to follow me on instagram. Just one of those weird things (well he follows a lot of people, so it is not that special, I guess, but the timing seemed... interesting).
Who knows? Maybe I m not the only one remembering that moment on stage?

[Ava]

lumina,

I know we've looked at these draco midpoints before, and last night when I was examining mine, I found my...

Draco Venus/Pluto midpoint = tropical moon

...goldmine of depressing information. Another gem from that same exploring mission:

Draco Saturn/Pluto midpoint = tropical sun

#$%@!!

I swear this is my mother's fault. lol...Well she had Saturn-SN square Pluto, with my Saturn on her Pluto, and my Cap sun squares Pluto, so why not just keep replaying this theme, because anything less than hardcore falls short of the Saturn-Pluto agenda. (My tropical Saturn/Pluto midpoint squares tropical Venus; I get a lot of mileage out of this midpoint, see. It's gotta screw up more than one area, "multitasking" if you will.)

"well in his chart Saturn is actually on the Sun/Moon-mp (well, squares it, but it counts. lol), quite a serious picture when it comes to relationships"

Is the sun/moon mp archetypally about relationships? I guess so, right? Sun/masculine and moon/feminine, that's the natural interpretation...I don't know why this is only clicking for me now.

I'd feel bad for P except he's too cute and happy for me to think this has handicapped him or made life unbearable. Somehow it all turns out for good, though of course he's got his share of trials and sorrows (good for strengthening and gaining wisdom).

" but of course it means that while HIS Saturn is on my Venus (=Jupiter/Uranus), MY Venus is on his Saturn (=Sun/Moon)"

No wonder you're in trouble.

"As if we needed more of that serious stuff. lol"

It's like I can hear the sign of Scorpio evilly laughing, because when Sag evolved out of Scorpio, they couldn't entirely shake off the seriousness.

Well it's funny but just the other day it occurred to me like the clouds were parting in my mind and showing me the sunshine, the revelation that good relationships aren't all fun, there is a lot of fusion to be achieved in helping each other through miseries and being there through the bad times. It's obvious but my Sag Venus must be in a different headspace most of the time and not connected with any desire to go through hardship for any reason whatsoever.

Back when I was briefly trying to be a runner again, before my Cap knees predictably said, "No, this sport is not for you," I was listening to music on the treadmill, and this song came on, I think I might have sent it to you before:



It's the kind of thing that would have stuck me as too shallow/pretentious when I was younger, but after seeing the world doesn't have THAT much great music after all, I'm content with this, it gets to the point, and a song can be upbeat and dark at once.

Meh, I have ADD...

Astrology Derailing Disorder.

I'll look at my draco midpoints and report some findings in another post.

[Ava]

So, let's see...

Comparing my draco midpoints with draco composite (being sure to check "True Node" first, as astro.com defaults to mean node when calculating draco...leaving this note for any readers who are unaware.)

With my husband, since I don't feel like getting around to housework just yet, might as well map this out:

2 Sag, draco comp ASC-Mars
3 Pisces, draco comp Venus
1 Pisces, his draco moon/Neptune mp
3 Pisces, my draco sun/Saturn mp

8 Pisces, draco comp sun
7 Gemini, my draco moon/Neptune mp
9 Pisces, his draco moon/node mp

8 Taurus, draco comp moon (square his tropical sun and my tropical ASC)
8 Taurus, his draco moon/MC mp
9 Taurus, my draco sun/Neptune mp

19 Scorpio, draco comp Jupiter (on my 20 Scorpio NN)
18 Scorpio, my draco Mars/Saturn mp
18 Taurus, my draco Mercury/Neptune mp
18 Scorpio, his draco ASC
19 Aqua, his draco moon

16 Aqua, draco comp Saturn-IC (on my tropical sun/moon mp)
15 Aqua, his draco Mercury/Neptune mp
16 Aqua, his draco moon/Jupiter mp
17 Aqua, his draco Venus/Neptune mp

4 Aqua draco comp Uranus (on my tropical Mercury)
2 Aqua draco comp Pluto
2 Aqua, his draco Uranus/Neptune mp
2 Aqua, his draco moon/Mercury mp
3 Aqua, his draco sun/Neptune mp
5 Aqua, his draco moon/Venus mp (squaring my draco sun/Venus mp @ 6 Taurus)

3 Aries, draco comp Neptune (conjunct draco comp Mercury @ 0 Aries)
2 Cap, his draco sun/Pluto, Uranus/Pluto mp
3 Cap, his draco Mercury/Uranus mp
4 Cap, his draco Mercury/sun mp
4 Cap, his draco moon/MC mp
3 Aries, his draco Saturn/Neptune mp
4 Aries, my draco Uranus/Neptune mp
4 Libra, my draco moon/Saturn mp (on his tropical moon and our tropical comp Saturn-IC)

Now it's interesting that my husband has a lot in common with a certain ex of mine, astrologically. Both have a stellium with the same planets, and you know this story. His draco sun conjunct my husband's draco moon. My draco comp with that ex has the sun @ 4 or 5 Aries depending on his birth time, so how strange that my draco comp with my husband has Neptune there, as some illusions generated from the past have carried over, like this was a shadowy backstory. Or I could say, as I lived with the draco sun @ 4 Aries, I dreamed of escaping that whole thing, and embodied this escape, this Neptune. I mean it's just thought-provoking for me, both ways.

Interesting that my draco comp with the ex has a yod with 26 Virgo Jupiter at the apex (Neptune and Pluto base planets, so Jupiter is on the "supernatural midpoint" and highlighted with the so-called "finger of God," and yes it felt that way, as I've expounded on); this draco comp Jupiter is conjunct my husband's tropical Jupiter (and possibly, the ex's draco moon).

Virgo is the ultimate dreamer because they think they can solve all the world's problems mechanistically, and that cannot be done, and try as they might, they keep coming up against that wall until finally they either crack up like Charlie Sheen, or concede a bit to Pisces and let it go...29 Virgo is very close to the draco SN, the starting point.

I'm saying all this because Jupiter is the old ruler of Pisces and would therefore be in detriment in Virgo, and an awful lot of misery can be contained in a planet as huge as Jupiter, in a sign as allergic to "detriment" as Virgo.

Mmm, maybe after experiencing draco comp Jupiter in Virgo I was still geared up to keep trying, banging my head against a wall in the exact same way as before, thus manifested or was attracted to a tropical Jupiter in the exact same place. Like "I still have more learning to do here."

It hasn't been all that bad. As a Cap, I think all of Virgo has its charms, regardless of everything.

[lumina]

Ava



"Draco Venus/Pluto midpoint = tropical moon



...goldmine of depressing information."

Why depressing? Sounds awesome to me!



"Is the sun/moon mp archetypally about relationships? I guess so, right? Sun/masculine and moon/feminine, that's the natural interpretation..."
Yes.



"I'd feel bad for P except he's too cute and happy for me to think this has handicapped him or made life unbearable."
Well, Saturn is also squaring his Sun exactly and his Moon by under 2 degrees.
Not really what looks that happy on paper, but then again he probably isn´t. Well he is a lot more serious in person, which sometimes confuses me a bit. lol 
At the same time also quite entertaining, I do wonder if he might sometimes project that Saturn and seek out relationship or partners that sort of live out the Saturn for him, at least in a personal relationship context (though he married a woman who basically has an unaspected Saturn in her chart).

Or he is very Saturnian in certain respects but not in others. 




"the revelation that good relationships aren't all fun, there is a lot of fusion to be achieved in helping each other through miseries and being there through the bad times."
Erm, yes. Well my Cap Venus seems to be quite aware of that.

[lumina]

Ava

very interestign line up with your husband.



"My draco comp with that ex has the sun @ 4 or 5 Aries depending on his birth time, so how strange that my draco comp with my husband has Neptune there, "
Interesting, that applies to P`s composites with his wife and me as well, just in tropical.
The composite with his wife has Neptune on 27 Sag, and our composite has Sun on 26 Sag.





"I'm saying all this because Jupiter is the old ruler of Pisces and would therefore be in detriment in Virgo, and an awful lot of misery can be contained in a planet as huge as Jupiter, in a sign as allergic to "detriment" as Virgo."
Ha, so my Jupiter gets the better deal. It is in Pisces, while P`s is in Virgo.
In Draco my Jupiter is in Cancer, and therefore exalted, so I win! ll

[lumina]

Honestly speaking it seems that your husband is more strongly invested emotionally in that relationship, and possibly is overidealizing it or romanticizing it, which might sometimes.

Your midpoints are more grounded in the real world somehow, and I could think this is quite some clash, and might feel weird to you as personality wise you have a Venus-Neptune. (well you also have your Moon/Neptune triggered, so that is something I guess). But seems like there is a lot of idealizing going on as well as grounding, which might sometimes feel like running hot and cold.

[lumina]

I guess I am more invested in our Draco Composite


10 Cancer Draco composite ASC
8 Cancer his Draco Mercury
8 Aries his Draco Jupiter
9 Aries his Draco Mars
9 Aries his Draco Mars/Jupiter
9 Cancer his Draco Uranus/MC
9 Cancer his Draco Moon/Uranus

10 Aries my Draco Venus/Mars
11 Aries my Draco Venus/ASC




25 Aries Draco composite MC
25 Cancer his Draco Sun
26 Cancer his Draco MC
27 Cancer his Draco Moon
24 Aries his Draco DESC
25 Aries his Draco Saturn
25 Ares his Draco Pluto/node
24 Aries his Draco Juno/Uranus
24 Cancer his Draco Saturn/ASC
26 Cancer his Draco Sun/Moon

25 Aries my Draco Venus
24 Cancer my Draco IC
(28 Cap my Draco Pluto)
25 Aries my Draco Uranus/Ceres
26 Aries my Draco Jupiter/Uranus
25 Cap my Draco Mercury/Saturn
26 Cap my Draco Sun/Saturn
26 Cap my Draco Pluto/MC






5 Gemini Draco composite Sun
6 Gemini his Draco Uranus/Pluto
6 Virgo his Draco Neptune/ASC

6 Gemini my Draco Moon 
6 Virgo my Draco Saturn/Juno
4 Pisces my Draco Mercury/MC
5 Pisces my Draco Sun/MC
6 Pisces my Draco Mercury/Pluto
7 Pisces my Draco Sun/Pluto



2 Cancer Draco composite Moon
2 Aries Draco composite Mars
1 Cancer my Draco Jupiter
2 Aries my Draco Moon/Pluto
0 Aries my Draco Moon/MC



26 Taurus Draco compospite MErcury
24 Taurus Draco composite Neptune
24 Leo his Draco Venus
26 Aquarius his Draco Juno
23 Taurus his Draco Mercuryy/Jupiter
23 Taurus his Draco Mercury/Mars
23 Taurus his Draco Saturn/Uranus
24 Taurus his Draco Neptune/Node (square his Venus by 0°00)
25 Taurus his Draco Venus/Juno
23 Taurus my Draco Sun/Jupiter
24 Aqua my Draco Mars/MC
25 Aqua my Draco ASC/MC
26 Aqua my Draco Mars/Pluto



25 Geminie Draco composite Venus
24 Pisces Dreaco composite Pluto
(22 Gemini his Draco Uranus, pr Dr Uranus 25 Gemini I think, also activating his tropical ASC on 25 Pisces and everyything connected to it)
23 Gemini his Draco Pluto/MC
23 Gemini his Draco Moon/Pluto
24 Gemini his Draco Venus/Saturn
24 Virgo his Draco Venus/ASC
25 Pisces his Draco Saturn/Juno
25 Pisces my Draco Mars
26 Pisces my Draco ASC
23 PIsces my Draco Venus/Uranus




19 Taurus Draco composite Jupiter
20 Taurus his Draco Pluto
19 his Draco Mercury/node
21 Aqua my Draco Uranus
21 Leo my Draco Moon/Saturn


1 Aquarius Draco composite Saturn (tropical composite ASC 1 Aqua)
1 Taurus Draco composite Juno
1 Leo his Draco Mercury/Venus
(29 Aries his Draco Mars/Pluto and Draco Jupiter/PLuto)
1 Taurus my Draco Moon/Mars
1 Taurus my Draco Moon/ASC
29 Aries my Draco Juno/Uranus
1 Aqua my Draco Venus/SAturn


21 Aries Draco composite URanus
19 Cancer his Draco Neptune 
22 Cancer his Draco Sun/Neptune
21 Aries my Draco Vesta
20 Aries my Draco Sun/Venus
20 Aries my Draco Mercury/Venus (tropical Chiron on 20 Aries, too)

[Ava]

lumina,

Well you know how themes just seem to reverberate through the charts? What you said about hot and cold reminds me of two basic elements in the charts with my husband: the overlapping composite kites (I credit those for our relationship longevity), and our synastric Uranus square Uranus (always rearing its head, sometimes at the oddest times, threatening to break it all apart).

Anyway...thank you for mapping out those midpoints. Hard to pick and choose favorites but I love your draco IC on his draco sun-moon in Cancer, I mean come on...too sweet for words.

How hilarious that your draco comp Mercury is conjunct my draco sun, and I'm so into all your business, lol. Like I'm praying and asking the Universe to send you two more communication, hugs, friendship, urging that Mercury along.

I like his draco Venus/Saturn conjunct draco comp Venus, esp since this connects with your tropical suns, if you allow the orb. Just seems grounding.

Also..."1 Aquarius Draco composite Saturn (tropical composite ASC 1 Aqua)"

See now, isn't that nice? I tend to think Saturn-ASC is lasting. I mean, it's not so great it you want to leave, but seeing like this makes me feel like there is a reason to hope for more good times...it's something to hold onto. Odd how your draco comp Saturn opposes my own Saturn, and I've stuck around to hear more of the story, and can't imagine NOT being in this role.

Well I like seeing draco midpoints squaring draco comp points but it's hard to think of how to formulate interpretations. I'm just greedy to see as much connection as one hopes for...stacks and stacks....because again, my draco sun is in Taurus, so let's just pile stuff up.

Above and apart from these more intricate details, your draco moon on the draco comp sun is pretty stunning to me, and quite definitive for predicting attraction to, or resonance with, the relationship. His draco Uranus/Pluto there. When you put Uranus with Pluto, isn't that revolutionary, like the 1960's hippie/revolt conjunction energy? Well I do think this relationship has inspired changes in him, emboldened him to broaden his public life, because he knew for sure he'd have at least a few people who'd always be listening (all this is Gemini) and showing up for him. Just my opinion but as I've said, I do remember how the podcasts and fanmeetings came into being.

[12YearsABlob]

Looks like my tropical moon/Asc falls on many Draconic midpoints:

Dr Sun/NN, Dr Sun/Neptune, Dr Mars/Neptune, Dr Mars/Uranus, Dr Merc/Uranus, Dr Merc/Neptune, Dr Mars/NN.

Tropical Venus opposing Dr Sun/Moon midpoint (it's trine both of them).

I do channel a lot of myself through the Moon/Asc, and it's a never-ending vortex... Or so it seems to me. It's both challenging and rewarding to stay connected to that *consciously*.

I wonder if tropical planets on draconic midpoints function the same as tropical planets conjunct draconic planets? A portal through which we can access our true selves.

[Ava]

Feb 1, 2019 21:48:33 GMT 12YearsABlob said:

A portal through which we can access our true selves.

I started replying to this after I saw it and then realized I was stymied. I really don't quite understand draconic. I get it in terms of it being a sort of non-negotiable time pattern, an underlying destiny structure of some type, maybe a subconscious personality.

But if my true self is a 25° Taurus sun....what is that energy, how do I recognize it? 

Astro-charts.com conveniently lets you search for celebrities by the degree of their sun sign. So in my case:

astro-charts.com/persons/sign/taurus/page/1/?degree=25

I get a hint of the energy from that. And I have known a lot of people whose suns are around there.

The Secret Language of Birthdays:
www.thesecretlanguageofbirthdays.com/report/?r=d19810516 

"The Day of Outrageous Flair." > I've been blaming that on my Sag Venus/Aries Jupiter, but I guess I can see it.

It's just hard to think my tropical sun is something other than real. Maybe that's me as me (tropical zodiac based on SUN, independent entity)....and draconic is more social and familial (based on MOON, maternity, interdependent situations?)

Draconic is just so far-out I can't get a strong handle on it, except to say, I know it's significant, almost hyper-real.