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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jan 19, 2019 21:14:22 GMT
Noviles are what we get when we divide a trine by three, basically. A novile is a 40° aspect, the binovile is 80°, the centagon 100°, the quad-novile 160°, and so on. In fact, I seem to remember either Ava or lumina called this family the "mini trine" on The Other Site - which is very fitting, because it is one-third of a trine.
You can see your noviles by pulling up the 9th Harmonic chart - they appear as conjunctions (and what about oppositions?). Note: the orb for conjunctions in the 9th Harmonic is up to 12°, because we're dividing the circle into much smaller parts. If you're calculating in the natal chart, I think the orb allowance for noviles is ~1.5°.
Now, the 9th Harmonic is also about the "fruit of the tree", or what we grow into in the latter half of our lives. Does that mean noviles are latent tendencies waiting to be expressed as we get more comfortable with ourselves? Kinda like flexing muscles you didn't even know you had. But once you get used to them, they are as accessible as trines(?) Do let me know your thoughts on this.
I have Sun & Moon binovile/novile Neptune, with Moon also novile NN. The Sun & Moon are trine each other, so, all three are interconnected by the "trine" family, so to speak. It is said if noviles in your chart are interconnected with trines, that means...something. I don't remember what was said. Perhaps it has something to do with the synergy? IME, it did take me a while to be comfortable enough to express that side of myself (because the Saturn signature is heavy). I should add that it's still a work in progress, though.
Here are some novile aspect descriptions:
P.S. Some descriptions mention things about a spiritual initiation, but I don't understand what they're getting at...
So far, my working definition of this aspect is "latent trines". Looking to improve and expand on that. 
Where are your noviles? What do you think they represent? What has been your experience of them?
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Post by Ava on Jan 19, 2019 22:22:44 GMT
Thanks 12YearsABlob , Love this topic, and I was just exploring this again the other night. It's curious to me because...why is this important? Why does Vedic Astrology take it so seriously when it comes to partnerships? Is the number 9 really all that spiritual? I was the one calling it a mini trine, just to highlight its positive significance. I do like your sun-moon-Neptune (and node) string of noviles and think you wear that energy quite well, with intuitive strength and balance. Is that advanced about you, something beyond what others might catch, and that's why it takes a while to really claim this energy for all it's worth, embodying it? Because at first, maybe others aren't reflecting it back to you, or not *exactly* on point. (Number 9, most spiritual, most perfect?) So this gift is all your own, something to learn from the inside out. As you grow and see yourself more clearly, this crystallizes and becomes more and more the true self. And it's only the true self that merges with others truly, right? Love 101. But that's just what comes to mind for me, I'm not sure how well it matches what real astrologers would say. I do need to read more. My noviles are sun/Venus and Jupiter/Uranus. 9th harmonic synastry with my husband is impressive, I've listed those on The Other Site, but still, I got married when I was young and it doesn't feel like I've grown into my whole self or whatever. My 9th harmonic chart is a serious mess by the way...fixed grand cross of sun-Venus, Jupiter-Uranus, Mars, MC. |
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Post by Ava on Jan 19, 2019 22:35:04 GMT
God, my 9th harmonic synastry with my college boyfriend is insane...no wonder we stayed together so long even though we weren't really compatible. Basically his chart is full of overlapping t-squares which overlap my grand cross.
But I was *not* evolved then.
This was my "fruit"?
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Post by FruityLlama on Jan 20, 2019 13:42:27 GMT
My noviles are:
Mercury-Jupiter in Leo
I hope I expand and develop my communication skills and by that I mean, I hope I manage to project my voice more later in life and really articulate what I mean better. I guess age will provide wisdom through experience and keeping an open mind is important. I hope it expands as I get older. I also hope to perfect the languages I am learning too- hopefully Jupiter will bring that if and when I hone it.
Mars late Virgo-early libra Uranus (quite wide compared to others though)
Well, I am not as energetic as this might suggest. Trusting my instincts has never been 100% easy for me. My intuition gets buried, but I suppose I have a spontaneous side. I like feeling free, but I don't want to be selfish either. This might be the practical, sensible virgo saying sometimes you just need to do whatever vs fair minded Libra, but perhaps being Uranus its inappropriate...?? Confused.com is basically how I feel about this aspect.
Neptune-NN in Leo
(Does this count? Do angles count btw?)
Hmm... no idea. Maybe I will dress up as glamorous pussycat as part of my life path purpose or something. My hair certainly seems to think so...
Sun-Pluto in Pisces is like a 11* orb but you said up to 12 is ok right? Mars-Uranus was 7*, the others really tight. Well, intensity isn't my thing, but I wish I could hone the ability to really probe into the core of things. I think what this means actually though is that I am an intense daydreamer, a bit like Neptune-NN perhaps. My inner life isn't as rigid as my natal chart would suggest actually.
Thank you for this by the way. Harmonic charts are fun even though Im crap at interpretations!!
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jan 20, 2019 15:01:34 GMT
Thanks, you guys! Ava , Thank you for that - it is under the surface, yes. Also, still a work in progress, like most of our charts, lol. It's interesting you say that about the number 9. I've always liked it because mathematically, anything you multiply it with adds up to 9. It's like this universal resting place that they all come down to. If you multiply by anything else, the journey still continues - the numbers add up to different digits - until you hit the 9's.
One could make a case for zero, in that it reduces anything you multiply by it to zero - but that isn't taking things any further. That's stripping them of identity. 2x0 will not tell you who was multiplied by zero. However, 2x9 will still preserve a sense of the two. If we were to take that literally, the 9th harmonic is the highest potential we can attain, while taking us one step closer to oneness (with the universe). Sorry if this is trite. But perhaps the hard aspects and dignitaries in the 9th harmonic can be seen in that light. So, the traditional interpretation of that grand cross might morph into something more refined for your 9th Harmonic.
FruityLlama , You're better at interpretations than you think. The presence of those strong outer planets to inner planets in novile makes me think they'll also make you more assertive as the years pass? You'll be more confident about acting on your impulses, sharing the knowledge you've gained, while also being firm about taking a stand where necessary(?)
We can always come back here and note if our experiences of these aspects have changed.
P.S. LOL @ Confused.com.  |
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jan 20, 2019 15:04:56 GMT
God, my 9th harmonic synastry with my college boyfriend is insane...no wonder we stayed together so long even though we weren't really compatible. Basically his chart is full of overlapping t-squares which overlap my grand cross. Hope it's ok to quote this? If not, let me know - I'll get rid of it.
That is really damning evidence that 9th harmonic synastry works, lol.
I don't think that was your 'fruit' though... If anything, it was perhaps an impetus to push you away from patterns that weren't working because something inside you rebelled(?)
I remember the aspects with your husband are also very close, and that creates a sense of 'the story is yet to unfold' (?)
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Post by lumina on Jan 20, 2019 15:30:39 GMT
In the vedic View you would only now approach the fruit Phase. 9 TH House is the traditional House of marriage ESP. AS social and legal Institution, being Part of the Community, also ruled by Jupiter, which ist Seen AS the husband in vedic. |
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Noviles
Jan 20, 2019 15:34:44 GMT
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Post by lumina on Jan 20, 2019 15:34:44 GMT
I recommend David cochranes Videos ob 9thharmonic, and Well you can mess Up everything If course, even stellar synastry.
And you can flow harmoniously With someone you actually are Not all that compatible With.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jan 20, 2019 15:39:19 GMT
9 TH House is the traditional House of marriage ESP. AS social and legal Institution, being Part of the Community, also ruled by Jupiter, which ist Seen AS the husband in vedic. True. I think that's valid in Western astrology too - Mars is boyfriends and @$$holes, Jupiter is husband material.. (Or so they say). I wanted to make a thread on this..
:ETA: I'm quoting Jewel Mayberry up there, please don't take the swear word too seriously. We're all assholes at some point, no big deal. All in good fun.
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Post by lumina on Jan 20, 2019 16:00:27 GMT
12YearsABlob well, you should ask his wife Juno about that.  At least Mars wasn`t getting married around and THEN was screwing around.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jan 20, 2019 16:03:50 GMT
Lol.. Ok, I see what you mean about the archetypes. I hope people's experiences are different.
:ETA: I was just speaking generally, though, what is *represents* for us - no offense to Mars specifically.
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Post by Ava on Jan 20, 2019 16:05:39 GMT
In the vedic View you would only now approach the fruit Phase. Cuz I'm old? LOL Edit |
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Post by Ava on Jan 20, 2019 16:07:44 GMT
One could make a case for zero, in that it reduces anything you multiply by it to zero - but that isn't taking things any further. That's stripping them of identity. 2x0 will not tell you who was multiplied by zero. However, 2x9 will still preserve a sense of the two. If we were to take that literally, the 9th harmonic is the highest potential we can attain, while taking us one step closer to oneness (with the universe). Sorry if this is trite. No, it's actually a new way of looking at it that I hadn't considered, so to me it's profound! Thanks! |
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Post by lumina on Jan 21, 2019 6:23:32 GMT
Lol.. Ok, I see what you mean about the archetypes. I hope people's experiences are different.
:ETA: I was just speaking generally, though, what is *represents* for us - no offense to Mars specifically.
well, yeah they both suck, from a mythological perspective. I wasn`t really being serious though. Your post was very close to the Vedic view for sure. I just never got into that Jupiter=husband-thing, for once I think it has a lot to do with the traditional Indian social view of the husband being older and more mature, as in financially able to provide, for the wife and successful in society, more like a guru/ mentor/ provider than an equal partner (this is from earlier times of course, I do not know how it is today, I hope it changed). Besides Jupiter is sort of a semi-generational planet, so I find it difficult to believe he should represent something as personal an equal partner. |
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Post by lumina on Jan 21, 2019 6:24:48 GMT
In the vedic View you would only now approach the fruit Phase. Cuz I'm old? LOL exactly. lol Just kidding, but yes, i think the Vedic say that the Navamsa isn´t really in play before the age of 30 or so. Interesting story, I will not quote here. |
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jan 21, 2019 13:56:08 GMT
well, yeah they both suck, from a mythological perspective. I wasn`t really being serious though. Your post was very close to the Vedic view for sure. I just never got into that Jupiter=husband-thing, for once I think it has a lot to do with the traditional Indian social view of the husband being older and more mature, as in financially able to provide, for the wife and successful in society, more like a guru/ mentor/ provider than an equal partner (this is from earlier times of course, I do not know how it is today, I hope it changed). Besides Jupiter is sort of a semi-generational planet, so I find it difficult to believe he should represent something as personal an equal partner. Right, haha, both archetypes suck.. I don't know why exactly it is the 'husband' signifier in Vedic, but I can elaborate on why it seems so to me (as of now, at least xD). For me, it's been about the energy and intention Jupiter brings to the table. For instance, if you have (unafflicted) Jupiter in a water sign, say Cancer, people with their sun in Cancer (or perhaps any water sign) will, in general, have a 'benefic' effect on you. Jupiter encourages personal growth, and stands for a lot of the things long-term partnerships need (optimism, giving each other the benefit of doubt, forgiveness, generosity, etc). So the people who are strong in your Jupiter energy will bring you all those things, as opposed to the focus on instant gratification of romantic relationships. Jupiter affection has some platonic overtones - which can smooth over difficulties that only romantic love might not be built to withstand. You can think you're passionately 'in love' but may or may not really 'like' each other. Jupiter really 'likes' you. The archetype does have an arrogant side, but pobody's nerfect..
^ Anyway, that's been my experience with Jupiter energy.
Now, it might be different if one doesn't have Jupiter involved with the relationship planets or houses at all. Mabe for them, the energy is not felt as much?
Being semi-generational, it also represents the values that we've been socialized to believe we (or our mates) should have, so perhaps there's a subconscious 'social acceptability' angle too? In addition to that, if they are strong in that particular energy, they could be seen as embodying a deeply rooted value system that is important to us.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Jan 21, 2019 15:07:33 GMT
Ava, I forgot to add, that Sun-Venus novile could be, among other things, coming to terms with your own beauty and your love nature, seeing yourself as beautiful and loving and having that energy shine through.
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Post by lumina on Jan 21, 2019 18:12:56 GMT
12YearsABlob Jewel Mayberry probably would agree with you. Well for me personally of course Jupiter is very important. I don`t think it is really about the husband in my chart, but it is an important ingredient in compatibility for me.
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Post by Ava on Jan 21, 2019 21:47:26 GMT
Ava , I forgot to add, that Sun-Venus novile could be, among other things, coming to terms with your own beauty and your love nature, seeing yourself as beautiful and loving and having that energy shine through. Ohhhhhh Maybe! Thank you. Well I've never gotten so many compliments on my appearance as within the last year or two, so that's a shocker that I never saw coming. |
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