Solar Arc synastry

[lumina]

Just been, randomly, looking up my parent`s solar arc synastry, for when they got married. Wasn`t quite expecting that!

just a selection


his sa DESC trine her n Juno 0°27 a
his sa Mars conjunct her n Sun 0°23 s
his sa Neptune conjunct her n Mercury 0°40a
his sa Venus conjunct her n MC 0°02 s
his sa Venus conjunct her n NN 0°12 s
his sa SN conjunct her n Sun 0°47 (opposing his own n Moon)


her sa DESC trine his n Juno 0°08 s
her sa DESC conjunct his n Sun 0°48a
her sa Uranus opposite his n Sun 1°20 (exactl about one and a half year before)
her sa Mars trine his n Sun 1°13 s
her sa Venus conjunct his n Mars 1°34 s
her sa Venus conjunct his n SN 1°10 s
her sa Saturn opposite his n Moon 0°11 s (his n Moon opposes her n Sun)
her sa NN square his n Uranus 0°31 a (that was exact shortly before I was born and just about 1,5 years before her sa MC-NN had entered 00 Aries, just around the time her sa Venus was on my Dad`s Mars-SN exact, and her sa Mars trine his Sun with her sa Uranus opposing his Sun, I guess that was around the time they were seriously talking about marriage, or during their trip to Paris)
her sa MC square his n Uranus 0°22 a

[lumina]

there are of course different reasons why people are getting married, but this picture for my parents describes very accurately that they were getting married for love and to create a family, and of course because they were attracted to each other (not thinking too deeply about that Venus-Mars-conjunction, but it fits. lol)
it is also interesting how at the time of marriage my Dad was having sa NN conjunct his n Moon in Taurus. and my Mum was having sa Saturn conjunct her n Sun in Scorpio, with his Moon opposing her Sun. I guess it was just time. lol

also I feel like my Mom with her Cancer (Moon-ruled) ASC fits how for my Dad the MOon was being pulled to the foreground, and in this case it even fits the other way round as my Dad has Saturn on his ASC and their composite as well as their actual wedding chart have a Leo ASC (conjunct Pluto, to reflect her Scorpio Sun and his 8th house Moon probably).

I find it interesting how his n Sun was receiving the opposition by her sa Uranus and his n Moon the opposition by her sa Saturn. Well I can see some of the positive sides with that (she jolted him out of the rut, mostly by just asking where he thought the relationship was heading, cause if he wasn`t interested in a family, they could keep on dating for a while, but he shouldn`t mind her looking for either investing in her career more or keeping her eyes open for more serious potential candidates, and then she went on a trip with her colleagues from work, also to Paris. lol She wasn`t even blackmailing him, even though it might sound like that. That is just my mom, she liked him a lot, but she wouldn`t have compromised her own goals for it and has always been clear about what she truely wanted. And she was never dependent on any guy, or at least maintaining her independence. Uranus on the ASC, what can you say? lol But my Dad is an Aqua, he loves her independence, but he certainly didn`t want her to sort of fade from his life. And once the decision was made her sa Saturn was opposing his n MOon, she would make him keep his word, or else, he would have been history. No compromises. But even though they both wanted the commitment, I think the months before getting married were maybe not really that easy for my Dad, he might have felt the pressure of reality and having to adjust to it, and also of course with her being pregnant, things must have changed a lot and forcing him into some sort of responsibility. Well his Saturn on the ASC with the chartruler in Capricorn in 4th house I believe, would pass this test of course, but it is interesting.




Also when my brother became a father, transiting Saturn was just going over his Moon-Jupiter-Uranus-conjunction and squaring his Sun, not sure what his now wife`s solar arc did, but that was very descriptive, he also had to focus to pass his exam AND have a baby at home and a household all at once).


Just thinking out loud really.

[Ava]

Thanks for the information and explanation lumina . Interesting how Saturn solidifies relationships? Or, moon-Saturn seems to appear along with becoming parents?

"it is also interesting how at the time of marriage my Dad was having sa NN conjunct his n Moon in Taurus. and my Mum was having sa Saturn conjunct her n Sun in Scorpio, with his Moon opposing her Sun. I guess it was just time. lol "

Wow! 

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Well.....natally my husband has a tight mini triangle of sun-Uranus/moon/Saturn in Leo, Libra, Sag.

His sun-Saturn trine had moved to 16 Virgo/Cap when we met, so SA Saturn separating from my 15 Cap sun, but still close!

Then we got married with his SA sun @ 17 Virgo opp my moon by only 0°16, applying. His SA Saturn @ 17 Cap sextile my Pisces moon.

His SA moon in partile conjunction w/ his NN @ 15 Scorpio, which is sextile to my natal sun.

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My SA NN @ 12 Sag on natal Neptune when we met.
My SA sun @ 8 Aqua opp his natal sun, separating.

My natal Venus-Uranus exact semisextile was at critical degrees, 29°11 Scorpio Uranus, 29°11 Sag Venus.
Those moved to 0°12 Sag/Cap when we got married.

Funny how I got all serious about love and commitment as soon as my SA Venus hit Capricorn. And that was quincunx to my natal Saturn @ 0° Leo.

His SA MC conjunct my natal Chiron, about 1° applying. Kinda speaks for itself.

My SA moon @ 11°48 Aries opp my natal Pluto and his SA Mercury, all partile. Wow....................

I don't check solar arcs often enough. I forgot my SA moon moved into Taurus.

Last year when I heard from an old friend, my SA ASC @ 20°35 Virgo on his natal sun, but that's just my recitified time and his noon time. Still kinda interesting, esp with my SA Venus @ 19 Cap, trine that stuff. Also, in about 3 years, his SA sun will be on his natal NN with my SA moon on his SN; his SA Jupiter exactly opposing my sun, his SA nodes exactly squaring my moon, his SA Chiron applying to conjunction with my Mars, less than 1°. So who knows, maybe communication will still be afloat somehow. 

[lumina]

Ava

"Or, moon-Saturn seems to appear along with becoming parents?
"
It makes sense though. After all Moon-Saturn is on the Mommy-Daddy-axis. But basically I think it is about living up to responsibilities. getting serious about this stuff. 







"His sun-Saturn trine had moved to 16 Virgo/Cap when we met, so SA Saturn separating from my 15 Cap sun, but still close!
"
While it seems that things happen close to when a solar arc is exact (to about 5-10 minutes applying/ separating, maybe 15 minutes, which is indicating a 3 months frame), a solar arc is considered having half a degree to one degree orb (depending on which astrologer you listen to), and I think outside the close range of exacting, outer planets transits or even Mars-transits (big activator) might activate the solar arcs. So there might have been a transit hitting 15-16 Cap in particular. 





"Then we got married with his SA sun @ 17 Virgo opp my moon by only 0°16, applying."
Classic!



"His SA Saturn @ 17 Cap sextile my Pisces moon.
"
So another Saturn-Moon-aspect, never sure how strong to weigh the sextile, but then again i your case it of course conncted to his SA Sun and your natal Sun as well. 




"His SA moon in partile conjunction w/ his NN @ 15 Scorpio, which is sextile to my natal sun.
"
That`s so intersting, this nodal connection coming up again. 




"My SA NN @ 12 Sag on natal Neptune when we met.
"
Great idealism I guess. But I am a tad wary of neptune nowadays. 



"My SA sun @ 8 Aqua opp his natal sun, separating.
"
very energetic.




"My natal Venus-Uranus exact semisextile was at critical degrees, 29°11 Scorpio Uranus, 29°11 Sag Venus.

Those moved to 0°12 Sag/Cap when we got married.
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These seem to be very powerful actually. P`s whole chart seemed to moved into new degrees when he started the relationship that led to him becoming a father and husband, though the actual moving happened basically during the time they made their relationship official, she got pregnant, and somewhen in between him and me were re-connecting too. But I think it is just so apparent how his sa ASC moved into Taurus, during that time, and then the year afterwards his sa DESC came to conjunct my Uranus and of course his sa Saturn did so as well, and his sa Sun, moon and MC all were being squared by my Uranus during some of this time. 

Funny enough, a few months after I sort of walked out of him, during his break up and before apparently starting to date his wife, and at the exact time he published a certain song, his sa Sun had entered 0°00 Aquarius. lol 


In 2017 my whole Moon-Saturn-Juno moved into new Signs, Moon into Aries, Saturn into Virgo (heading towards P`s NN which it conjuncted last august exactly), Juno into Taurus. (I am currently, since last year, having Uranus-Juno, all over the place and charts. lol solar arcs, transits etc.)



"His SA MC conjunct my natal Chiron, about 1° applying. Kinda speaks for itself.
"
Interesting. My sa Sun had been squaring P`s Chiron, and his wife`s sa Sun had been conjunct it 1-2 years ago I think. I guess my sa Mercury is still squaring his natal Chiron (well, 25 minutes separating, so it was exact about 5 months ago. september 2018, though honestly the september felt more like HIS Mercury squaring MY Chiron. lol But who knows what I said or didn´t say that upset HIM?) 





"Last year when I heard from an old friend, my SA ASC @ 20°35 Virgo on his natal sun, but that's just my recitified time and his noon time."

Still cool, and seems to imply that the times are near to the correct birthtime if the timing is that spot on.


"Also, in about 3 years, his SA sun will be on his natal NN with my SA moon on his SN; his SA Jupiter exactly opposing my sun, his SA nodes exactly squaring my moon, his SA Chiron applying to conjunction with my Mars, less than 1°. So who knows, maybe communication will still be afloat somehow."
Yes, it is very intense looking, I like itz, Mars-Chiron in a conjunction apparently also has a lot to do with sexual attraction, but possibly also about getting into where it really hurts or feels vulnerable. probably especially for him. But Mars-Chiron just seems to come with such a physical oomph I guess, that it is nearly irresistable to go there (well P`s Chiron conjuncts his wife`s Mars and this trines his Mars-Jupiter-conjunction, and I think that is probably the one connection that seriously explains their togetherness. They just flow really well physically most probably)

[Ava]

lumina

"It makes sense though. After all Moon-Saturn is on the Mommy-Daddy-axis. But basically I think it is about living up to responsibilities. getting serious about this stuff."

*nod* Do you suppose that people with a hard natal moon-Saturn aspect are less inclined to want children, or find child-rearing difficult? Well it's difficult for anyone but maybe these folks encounter extra hardship...

astro-charts.com/persons/aspect/Moon-Square-Saturn/page/3/

Angelina Jolie, 6 children with a messy divorce. Actually I've read enough celebrity stories that I recognize in those pages a lot of hardship with children, like Jenny McCarthy (son has autism), Brooke Shields (severe postpartum depression), Jill Ireland (catastrophic miscarriage of a late-term baby, she gave birth to a stillborn child alone in her room because the labor came on so fast; this trauma may have contributed to her cancer and early death). And then many women on this list don't have children, not that that's so rare, but many are also gay or bisexual, so I'm wondering if that's part of a muted maternal feeling, or just being very serious about children, or having disappointments in love that result in never establishing a family (ie Joni Mitchell, Bonnie Rait, Margaux Hemingway). Many of these women are exceptionally attractive (Grace Kelly, Marilyn Monroe, Miranda Kerr, etc) which may have contributed to problems, like being "claimed" by more Saturnine establishments or people, who used their beauty to achieve their own ends. Just musing aloud.

My best friend has the moon-Saturn opposition and she's never been married. She was a teenage mother which was super difficult and also deterred men from wanting to get involved with her. Now she's very attractive and gets asked out all the time but she stays in her non-ideal relationship, with the belief that all relationships are going to be hard.

K that was all a tangent but I never sat and really thought about moon-Saturn before.

"...a solar arc is considered having half a degree to one degree orb (depending on which astrologer you listen to), and I think outside the close range of exacting, outer planets transits or even Mars-transits (big activator) might activate the solar arcs. So there might have been a transit hitting 15-16 Cap in particular."

The moon was transiting @ 17 Cap. 'Suggests that he had just reckoned with some serious thoughts in the previous hour (tr moon = his SA Saturn), and then I showed up, my Cappy self melding into that whole mood.

"That`s so intersting, this nodal connection coming up again."

Yeah.......it's weird but even back then, long before I knew about the nodes and real astrology, I remember telling my Scorpio NN friends, "Something about him is like us. He's NOT like us in so many ways. But there's something that is just like us." When I first learned about the nodes and saw his, it was a lightbulb moment. "Oh! So THAT'S it!"

And it's funny but now that I'm talking to H again, I'm seeing his Scorpio NN so clearly, too. (I mean, why is he always mentioning death? That's MY job. lol )

"But I am a tad wary of neptune nowadays."

It's good for art, listening to music, daydreaming within limits, putting a bit of a soundtrack-feeling into our interactions with people. But with composite NN conjunct Mercury-Neptune, as I have with my husband, this "Destination: Unknown" business does get really tiresome, there is a lack of clarity and aimlessness resulting from that.

"These seem to be very powerful actually. P`s whole chart seemed to moved into new degrees when he started the relationship that led to him becoming a father and husband,"

WHOA...see, I'm learning to appreciate solar arcs finally. It's sinking in finally.

"But I think it is just so apparent how his sa ASC moved into Taurus, during that time, and then the year afterwards his sa DESC came to conjunct my Uranus and of course his sa Saturn did so as well, and his sa Sun, moon and MC all were being squared by my Uranus during some of this time."

What a great match, the astrology with the events/feelings.

"Funny enough, a few months after I sort of walked out of him, during his break up and before apparently starting to date his wife, and at the exact time he published a certain song, his sa Sun had entered 0°00 Aquarius. lol"

OMG, I love that.

"In 2017 my whole Moon-Saturn-Juno moved into new Signs, Moon into Aries, Saturn into Virgo (heading towards P`s NN which it conjuncted last august exactly), Juno into Taurus. (I am currently, since last year, having Uranus-Juno, all over the place and charts. lol solar arcs, transits etc.)"

Interesting...how do you interpret Uranus-Juno? Attracted, and devoted to, surprises?

I see my SA Juno was @ 11°50 Libra when I met my husband, conjunct and separating from natal Pluto by only 0°08. My SA IC @ 18 Scorpio...more importantly I guess, I got married with SA MC conjunct natal SN, and I think my friends and family may have seen this as a "south node" move, motivated by a desire for material security/wealth, also pulling back from life out of fear, not venturing forward the way I had planned and studied for. But in my defense, my draconic sun is conjunct my SN. And it was something I did feel a tremendous pull towards: to get established, to live out in the country as we planned.

I mean I think everyone who knows astrology might loosely associate the NN with with 10H, because personal goals and career goals overlap or may be one and the same thing. But with my natal NN in the 4H, it's a little more complicated.

"My sa Sun had been squaring P`s Chiron,"

Why didn't you talk to me?

"....and his wife`s sa Sun had been conjunct it 1-2 years ago I think."

Why DID you talk to me?

Kidding, with apologies. Impish sense of humor.

"Yes, it is very intense looking, I like itz, Mars-Chiron in a conjunction apparently also has a lot to do with sexual attraction, but possibly also about getting into where it really hurts or feels vulnerable. probably especially for him. But Mars-Chiron just seems to come with such a physical oomph I guess, that it is nearly irresistable to go there (well P`s Chiron conjuncts his wife`s Mars and this trines his Mars-Jupiter-conjunction, and I think that is probably the one connection that seriously explains their togetherness. They just flow really well physically most probably)"

Yeah........I don't know about anyone else but my husband and I have Mars trine Chiron DW and for all our problems, physical attraction has never been one of them, I mean that's a constant for us, weirdly enough....it's weird because it doesn't die even when we can't stand each other. Definitely a relationship longevity ingredient, but not necessarily the happiest thing, when you'd rather not be susceptible to it. As I've said over and over on these forums. (And I might even repeat this later today, on theunknown's Chiron synastry thread.) 
 

[lumina]

Ava

"nod* Do you suppose that people with a hard natal moon-Saturn aspect are less inclined to want children, or find child-rearing difficult?"
I am not sure about that. Maybe for some yes. I mean I have the quinkunx natally and am neither married nor have children.
But generally speaking I just think they may feel the extra responsibility or take it really serious. 

Well P has Moon (and Sun) square Saturn, and he is married with two kids. 

quite some gruesome examples there, really startling. But I do not think this is ONLY because of Moon-Saturn, a certain way of dealing might be described by Moon-Saturn however. 


"but she stays in her non-ideal relationship, with the belief that all relationships are going to be hard.
"
This I can believe is very much a Moon-Saturn-statement (as it would be a Venus-Saturn-statement) well actually it is more Venus-Saturn in terms of: relationships are hard. Moon-Saturn might be including relationships but goes actualy deeper into the psyche and perception of the world in general and emotional core. the emotional Moon does not really vibe well naturally with the controlfactors that Saturn brings in, on the other hand Moon does need the structure Saturn can provide, too. 
It is an interesting pairing, I once called it "earth-mates", when we were venturing into the soulmates, karmamates, twinsouls stuff. But Moon-Saturn, on a good day (not necessary in a square aspect   ), is like earthmates to me. two people being a good fit to tackle on the earthly life, if they combine their different strengths. Also Moon is the innermost of the personal planets, Saturn is the outermost of the personal sphere, what comes after Saturn is trans-personal. 
Also I do not believe it is a coincidence, that Moon takes the same amount in days to make one cycle, as Saturn takes years to pass through the zodicac. 28-29 days vs 28-29 years. They are the brackets of our life really. But of course that does not mean it is easy to manifest in life, Saturn just can make things really serious and somber, esp. in harsh aspects. 
Also some thing that is typically Saturnian is to feel one is insufficient, "not enough" and therefore "not deserving" love and relationships (Venus) or emotional security and nurturing (Moon), any typical Saturnian will distrust appreciation that is given freely, if they feel they do not deserve it, it is like they have to work for it and earn it, or it won`t mean a thing, cause it is not real to them. Just talking about the pure essence of Saturnian challenges, of course it gets modified. But usually that is what lies underneath all that extra time and work Saturn is doing, not wanting anyone to realize that they are really a failure, and not good enough, not beautiful enough, not caring enough, not competent enough, not smart enough, etc. 


" 'Suggests that he had just reckoned with some serious thoughts in the previous hour (tr moon = his SA Saturn), and then I showed up, my Cappy self melding into that whole mood.
"
Yes, though I think ther emust have been an outer planet transiting too, the tr Moon on its own would have been too fleeting. 


"It's good for art, listening to music, daydreaming within limits, putting a bit of a soundtrack-feeling into our interactions with people."
Absolutely, yes, in terms of creativity and spiritualityy and idealism it is amazing.


"But with composite NN conjunct Mercury-Neptune, as I have with my husband, this "Destination: Unknown" business does get really tiresome, there is a lack of clarity and aimlessness resulting from that.
"
Yes, exactly. As you know P and me have MErcury conjunct Neptune in the composite, too. It is funny but at times we just get each other so well, and at times it is like the communication just disappears, becomes a "blind spot", which is how some astrologer once described Neptune or even the 12th house, "a blind spot", sometimes almost like a "numb/ fuzzy spot". You can`t quite grasp it. 

But then at other times it seems very astute. It is weird. Well I guess Neptune is more comfortable with nonverbal communication anyway. 


Personally I think that probably the planet Neptune can work with the best is Venus (higher octave and such), Jupiter and for some weird reason Uranus. Possibly Moon, but even that might get fuzzy. And only in unafflicted conjunctions, trines and sextiles. the Squares and oppositions just suck, honestly. I mean you find a way to deal with them obviously, but they still suck, if you are being honest and straightforward (not a forte of Neptune). But it can feel so intoxicating, magical, fairy dust and all. Just in squares and oppositions it mostly is just a hallucination, fairy dust hiding the fact that there is just no substance there. And don`t get me started on the transits! There is no other planet that can infuse you with such a feeling of meaninglessness, that it becomes paralyzing!

Not Saturn, Saturn makes you bash your head at the brickwall of reality, but then it makes you work hard for something, and slowly build your door. But Neptune? At least for most of the times, you are just disoriented, lost, numb, paralyzed, like being in quicksilver sand, and you do not even have the will to fight or get out of the mud or do anything. It takes a real effort to find the strength to even just get out of bed in the morning. UNLESS you find a meaningful purpose that inspires you truely. THEN Neptune-transits can be glorious! Usually this implies doing something for others, not for yourself though. 

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Interesting...how do you interpret Uranus-Juno? Attracted, and devoted to, surprises?
"
ONe of the manifestations. Or surprising sudden attachment/ commitment? Or even breaking up a commitment, or suddenly committing in a surprising way? I suppose it depens what is the arcing planet. ther eis  a difference if Uranus is making a strong aspect to Juno, or Juno comes to aspect URanus. Whatever is the solar arc or transiting, is almost like something from an external source coming to you. Well in the case of solar arcs, it is not ONLY external, it is like you have temporarily employed the assistance of other people or events that bring that symbolism into your life, that the arcing planet describes. 

but maybe that is hairsplitting.




"I see my SA Juno was @ 11°50 Libra when I met my husband, conjunct and separating from natal Pluto by only 0°08."+
P`s wife ahd the same thing happening when she got married. SA Juno conjunct n Pluto by 0°09 s (but for her it was in Scorpio).



"more importantly I guess, I got married with SA MC conjunct natal SN, and I think my friends and family may have seen this as a "south node" move, motivated by a desire for material security/wealth, also pulling back from life out of fear, not venturing forward the way I had planned and studied for. But in my defense, my draconic sun is conjunct my SN. And it was something I did feel a tremendous pull towards: to get established, to live out in the country as we planned.
"
It is both though, however I would more see it as SA IC conjunct natal NN - the desire and need t obuild a home, family, stable homebase, as part of your path. 




"Why didn't you talk to me?
"
LOL this was exact actually in october 2017, when he had been sending me this mail asking if I was going to be at the concert that night (so he could give me something I ordered in person) and I had to tell him that I wasn`t coming, but instead was saving my energy for the midnightball a few days later, and him joking (joking?) that only the big stars were being there (not saying, but of course implying, Lancelot - well Lancelot had been coming up a few weeks before in some verbal banter between us). 

Interestingly Lancelot`s Chiron is just one degree before P`s and my Sa Sun had been exacting a square to his Chiron, when I was on a concert some months before, where he clearly spotted me, and probabl also noticed me NOT coming round to speak to him but just waiting around in the back for my friends. We then met later that year, when my sa Sun was rather closely squaring P`s Chiron. And at that time had been applying to Lancelot`s and my composite Mercury-Venus. 




"....and his wife`s sa Sun had been conjunct it 1-2 years ago I think."



Why DID you talk to me?

HAHA


Well that had been exact at the time of the first workshop at the end of 2016. 
It is downright funny but her and my sa Sun are walking in square. Tehy will always be square, and when they hit or trigger something, oh well (it is not exact, her Sun is a few months prior to mine, 9 months or so)




"but not necessarily the happiest thing, when you'd rather not be susceptible to it."
Almost like against your will? 


Well I am experiencing this in m own solar arcs this year with sa Mars square Chiron (in january this year) and sa Chiron opposing Mars (around may I think) . 

Well P`s Chiron is trine my Venus, it is probably different, and it is rather widish, at 3,5 degrees, but well Chiron is more than an asteroid, so I think it might be valid still. 

his Mars is trine my Venus even more widely, but in solar arcs they are walking in step just minutes apart from an exact trine (because his Mars i 5 degrees ahead of my Venus, and he is 5 years younger than me)

[Ava]

Hey there lumina,

"It is an interesting pairing, I once called it "earth-mates", when we were venturing into the soulmates, karmamates, twinsouls stuff. But Moon-Saturn, on a good day (not necessary in a square aspect ), is like earthmates to me. two people being a good fit to tackle on the earthly life, if they combine their different strengths."

I guess I can see that. Well my dad's moon was conjunct my Saturn and we were mostly simpatico. I think he could rest easy knowing I was self-reliant, and that freed him up to go out and enjoy life. My friend's Saturn conjunct my moon and she was just telling me that I'm one of the only people who she has revealed something to, and it's because she can trust me to be accepting. I feel the same way about her and I'm mystified that a lot of other people don't. (One mutual friend grew to dislike her, and was actively trying to turn me against her, but I felt this other friend was the one who wasn't seeing things clearly.) So...in my limited experience, loyalty is a theme.

"Also some thing that is typically Saturnian is to feel one is insufficient, "not enough" and therefore "not deserving" love and relationships (Venus) or emotional security and nurturing (Moon), any typical Saturnian will distrust appreciation that is given freely, if they feel they do not deserve it, it is like they have to work for it and earn it, or it won`t mean a thing, cause it is not real to them."

Sad.

"Just in squares and oppositions it mostly is just a hallucination, fairy dust hiding the fact that there is just no substance there."

I have that, Pisces moon square Neptune, but with Saturn on the midpoint, I've managed to stay afloat, more or less. Making a square *work* and be functional, that's pretty hard, but not impossible when it's in your natal chart, and like a mission. It's more difficult with transits and synastry. ("Hey, come back! We haven't figured this out yet!")

"Whatever is the solar arc or transiting, is almost like something from an external source coming to you. Well in the case of solar arcs, it is not ONLY external, it is like you have temporarily employed the assistance of other people or events that bring that symbolism into your life, that the arcing planet describes."

Really? Tell me more, please? Can you give examples?

"It is downright funny but her and my sa Sun are walking in square. Tehy will always be square, and when they hit or trigger something, oh well (it is not exact, her Sun is a few months prior to mine, 9 months or so)"

Oh...that is TOO perfect. Hats off to astrology. Not that there is a petty argument or anything, it just describes the general feeling there, I think, and it's not that you would feel that way with anyone he got involved with (you like S just fine.)

[lumina]

Ava


"So...in my limited experience, loyalty is a theme.
"
Yes, actually now that you m ention it, my best friend and me have that. My Saturn squares her Moon exact, her Saturn opposes my Moon loosely, but well we made it work. 

Another friend has her Saturn (and Sun) conjunct my Moon (and my Saturn is on her ASC - we are just email friends, and occasionally seeing each other on a trip, but it always surprised me how lasting that was to become, just as you and me, usually email friendships fizzle out sooner or later, well mostly after about 2 years. lol at least in my experience). 

Speaking of you of course your Moon is also trine my Saturn, so that fits. 



"I have that, Pisces moon square Neptune, but with Saturn on the midpoint, I've managed to stay afloat, more or less. Making a square *work* and be functional, that's pretty hard, but not impossible when it's in your natal chart, and like a mission. "
I agree with that, definitely. there is no such thing as a dooming aspect, it just means you ahve to put in more work.


"It's more difficult with transits and synastry. ("Hey, come back! We haven't figured this out yet!")
"
LOL yes, exactly. Like closure is missing.
a real problem with Neptune squares and oppositions oftentimes, too. 
and Uranus, who will just be gone in a flash. 




"Really? Tell me more, please? Can you give examples?
"
Well, other people becoming "agents of change". Esp. with an outer planet arcing to a personal one, that personal one needs that change, and since people oftenr esist change, it might come to us in the form of othe rpeople or events. 

Like in P`s case the sa Uranus conjunct his Moon, ruler of his 5th house. A sudden surprising development in the form of a child coming into his life and therefore forcing him to change his daily habits (which is Moon, too), his way of caring and well everything basically. It probably was a real surprise, as Uranus rules his 12th house. 


sa Mars opposing my Saturn, which was not that pleasant of course, but anyway, there are many manifestations of this, but this was literally either a man or an Aries challenging my control-systems. lol Even just hostility coming from the outside making me having to gather all courage and inner strength to get through this and make it an effective time. Well my effective reaction was after a while: "Fuck you, who needs you anyway?" and "I am not a groupie. I am a star myself", which had me enter the next salon for getting my hair cut and dyed, and I did it so thoroughly that even colleagues crossing my path in school were turning twice to make sure it was me; and for the following concert I was also just going there, all in black with the red necklace, and when P showed up at the other side of the window of our cafe where I was sitting with some aquaintances, I was just vaguely looking up at him, and not sure I even smiled, but then focused on eating my sandwich, while he was still staring through the window and the others were waving and calling out to him, and I was just sitting there like this was all not my business and that my sandwich was so much more interesting than him. He later came out too when we were waiting in line, maybe he wasn`t sure it was me either and wanted to figure it out. lol 

But in this instance I would say, that the event that was seriously feeling downright like an outer attack to my system, was really needed for me to discover my own power and anger actually. I was royally pissed with the universe and him in particular. lol Not very logical, or rational of course, but that was it. 

Also funny enough the months before his sa Mars has been squaring my Saturn, leading up to the first fanmeeting, and actually we only got to talk more when this was fading away. so well in this instance I guess he was the agent of change or delivering the attack to my control-mechanism, and I reacted accordingly. lol 


it is also a bit different here, as it was sa Mars squaring my SAturn, this was more about Saturn getting out of the comfort zone, bringing energy and power there, even if Saturn did not feel comfortable with it. 

sa Saturn square Mars would have been more about being shut down, energy being blocked, bringing a major NO to the Mars-energy. In my case it was more like my inner NAY-sayer was being challenged. The ID challenging the Super-Ego, so to speak. lol Some rules need to be broken. but with that I mean the inner rules I Have been bringing forward from my upbrining and was just slowly even thinking about. 

"(you like S just fine.)"
Yeah, she is like my little sister. Actually M is feeling like my little sister too, curiously enough, but you know the kind of sister you would like to be far away from. Actually I even dreamed once (In a historical setting) that we were sisters, but there was a lot of tension there. Yeah, go figures. lol 

With S I just always resonated, maybe just because of our Aqua MOons and her Mars conjunct mine. Or the fact she has a sibling with Down syndrome, too. Or how when she described her chaos at home and before performances it just could have been a description of my surroundings.