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Post by ciel on Dec 31, 2018 19:42:35 GMT
I have black and dark moon lilith in first house but asteroid one is in my vertex. I have heard that dark moon lilith is demons in our body. Could someone enlighten me about waldemath's moon? Luckly its not prominent like black moon, conjunct to my venus and neptune.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 21:24:54 GMT
ciel, please try to post your chart with the asteroids you would like to investigate. It is difficult to make suggestions unless one sees the whole chart.
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Post by ciel on Jan 1, 2019 13:17:10 GMT
@astrokeen ofc how do I post a chart just copy the link?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 13:56:45 GMT
ciel you go to the reply button on the right corner(not the "post quick reply") and then you can upload a pic of your chart as an attachment. I would also be interested in the meanings of the liliths they confuse me. I have the asteroid conjunction in synastry.
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Post by ciel on Jan 2, 2019 8:12:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 17:58:15 GMT
ciel, Could you try again please. First, don't crop the image too much. One needs to see the degrees at the angles or it is difficult to tell how close the conjunctions are. When you click on the saved image in Imgur.com, you will see various links for different purposes on the right hand side of the page. Copy the bottom most link that says: Linked BBCode (message boards) Then paste that link in your post after hitting the reply button. It works very well.
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Post by ciel on Jan 2, 2019 18:21:46 GMT
@astrokeen I see, sorry my bad Imgur is banned where I live so I wasnt familiar with this and I can only use mobile. Is this ok?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 22:53:25 GMT
Great!
Some very interesting aspects:
Lucifer, Lilith at the Vertex - one way of interpreting this is that transits to the vertex will make you realise the qualities of Lilith and Lucifer in yourself. I don't know much about the 3 liliths - perhaps someone else could chip in here.
Moon conjunct Hades - Moon not only represents the emotional nature, but it also the mother in the early life and perhaps the challenges she may have been dealing with. Does that resonate?
Pallas conjunct MC - do you take the lead in like organising things
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Post by Ava on Jan 3, 2019 3:08:35 GMT
I don't know much either, sorry.
Quoting myself from the Black Moon Lilith thread here:
"I'm not patient enough to deal with the Lilith complexity, I have Jupiter in Aries. But here it is:
Asteroid Lilith: 1181 Black Moon Lilith/Mean: h21 Black Moon Lilith/Osculating/True: h13 Dark Moon Lilith: h58"
1181, h21, h13, h58
There is a fifth Lilith that you get when you click on Lilith in Additional Objects section at astro.com. That's the one with the cool glyph.
My Liliths are at 7 Aries (with the glyph), 8 Aries (true), 10 Aries (oscillating), 5 Scorpio (Waldemath), 17 Scorpio (asteroid).
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Post by ciel on Jan 3, 2019 9:47:26 GMT
@astrokeen in my opinion, asteroid lilith is a bit fanatically violent it represents the body of lilith after all also its the first stage of her evolution (black moon lilith is the knowledge and dark moon, waldemath's moon, are feelings just like the stages of any sign but seperated) and asteroid lucifer shows arrogance and ignorance. I saw this on people who has it either on mc or with some aspects. So I think its the way that devil uses us, his biggest sin was unreasonable pride which is arrogance. So having it conjunct to vertex I think this the response I get? but hopefully its not permanent? About hades, my mom is not my original mother I couldnt resonate with her and turns out starseeds have 3 parents or sth. That also explains why I look exactly like my dad.It said somewhere that crystals and rainbows looks exactly like one of their parent and the other one is just earthly parent I guess. So I also searched hades and it said past, dead, past life, ancient life, stuff like that so I also checked the sabian symbol from straightwoo it says " A LARGE ARCHAIC VOLUME REVEALS A TRADITIONAL WISDOM./ SEED-KNOWLEDGE, the knowledge of the structure of cyclic and cosmic manifestations of life on this planet." and seed is the hologramic seed of earth according to mayan astrology. Which is also one of my signs in dreamspell and having interkosmos conjunct to moon in 16 gemini "A passionate response to a deeply felt new experience/ proselytizing mind" also lead me to that conclusion. So I dont think my moon sign resonates with her but my idea to percieve her. Its in gemini because I had be logical and analytical towards her just a shallow interaction. We dont really resonate like I said. My karma (3811) is in 21 libra if it shows anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 12:32:44 GMT
ciel , when I asked "does this resonate with you/", I meant 'does this make sense to you'. Basically, your relationship with your mother with Hades conjunct Moon would not have been easy. Which is what you are saying. But Hades may have another meaning too as your Sabian symbol reveals. Since you have Lilith and Lucifer in the 7th house, you would discover those qualities in other people. Lilith is said to have a positive meaning too. There are two sides to her story. She was someone who wouldn't stand for repression or being treated as a lesser being, and felt the need to fight for her rights. She stands for someone with strength and determination.
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Post by ciel on Jan 3, 2019 13:01:06 GMT
@astrokeen thats what I said. Also yes but not the asteroid one it shows racism sexism etc the other liliths black and dark moon are standing up to those things. To explain this when lilith left the heaven she had a body, her solid self. Racism and sexism were the key elements in a physical sense this would cause aggression and being destructive. She would do things she hates to the other people. Nowadays the "elite" is starting to get this first piece however they are fools because as it continues lilith herself hates this and makes it very frank, destructive but in a good way. More like cleansing. Thats why some people call it the female mars but unlike mars, it its above all the accusations. Righteous like mars and deep and deserved like moon. It isnt some feminist asteroid in my opinion. Moon and mars conjunction could be a good example to understand this. As it evolves these feelings get deeper and the last and deepest understanding of this is supposedly waldemath's dark moon.
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Post by Ava on Jan 3, 2019 15:05:13 GMT
Could someone enlighten me about waldemath's moon? Enlighten you? You already seem to know a lot. Moon and mars conjunction could be a good example to understand this. As it evolves these feelings get deeper and the last and deepest understanding of this is supposedly waldemath's dark moon. What else can you tell us?
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Post by ciel on Jan 3, 2019 16:53:49 GMT
There is a matrix field between humans and all interactions. I have mentioned that before. Some peoples drive is what they dont have. Exaggerated reactions ect. Those people are being messed up by matrix, because they dont have anything. However as humans or forms who needs actions in order to express themselves this might be offensive to us and our feelings. Beacuse well the meanings we put into stuff are much deeper and resembles us whatsoever. And when someone puts a lower meaning to actions you need for expressing yourself that distubs the balance (such as making human relationships shallow).As the rights you have for yourself increases the stuff that bothers you increases as well. And in my sense of understanding waldemaths dark moon is an expression of this corruption in matrix. It doesnt have a body because IT CANT EXIST IN A FORM when there are lots of things wrong. Its there to balance the corruption in matrix. In order to protect herself from peoples corrupted sense of understanding it became a pile of dust. This is an expression of hatred, yes but its the same hate you have for an extremely abusive person (killer etc). Since her rights/qualities are high (herself simply), many things became a bother for her. Just like the hate you have for people who normalize abuse for pets or anything. People sometimes say when they are in a uncomfortable situation or a place they dont like "Im not entirely really here just my body" imagine being in a such uncomfortable situation that even your body becomes a pile of dust floating. You know unseen things are always more powerful. I dont think waldemaths dark moon deserves to be called demon in ourselves but also whatever troubles you, your hatred to this will be visible to the outer world and it will be what you show to the world, especially when the world becames what you hate. It is only natural. I think the world's corruption is what is devil to waldemath. (Ps: this is also the reason why badboys are liked which is totally out of the subject) So simply waldemath is a dust cloud. Oh and also black moon lilith is sth like that. Its hatred in a thinking form, this was in feeling form. Black moon is the lesser extend of it. And asteroid one is just terrible. The reason I asked this was simply wonder I had with these knowledge. I mean, I couldnt be certain. Btw I take my word back it would be nice to have dark moon in a good place.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 17:27:51 GMT
ciel , why should Asteroid 1, Ceres, be terrible? I have not heard this before. Ceres is the Greek goddess equivalent of Demeter. In astrology, Ceres rules food, agriculture, transitions in a female's life, nurturing, motherhood, and family relationships. With Ceres, there is a love of what is simple, natural, and good for you. There is nothing negative in these meanings. But Ceres lost her daughter Persephone, and experiences pain on account of the loss. I have Ceres as part of an interesting female asteroid stellium in Cap Sumeria 13.41 DNA 13.57 Persephone 14.41 Vega 14.42 - fixed starLilith 15.33 Selene 15.35 Aphrodite 16.16 Ceres 18.59
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Post by ciel on Jan 3, 2019 17:47:55 GMT
@astrokeen No by asteroid one I meant the asteroid lilith. I mean ceres is great ofc. I ve persephone conjunct to sun exact, I do understand. There s nothing wrong with ceres. If not bad aspected. However Im not really good with aspects could you comment on the aspects of lilith? I think both of my liliths are in fixed star true lilith in 1.42 altair and the dark moon is in deneb adige
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Post by Ava on Jan 3, 2019 20:19:03 GMT
Interesting response ciel, thank you. You sound familiar. Are you a member at Linda-Goodman.com? Maybe we've crossed paths before.
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Post by ciel on Jan 3, 2019 20:31:03 GMT
Nope, I havent used Lindagoodman. Im not a member. But I tried to make it clear in the way that I understand I hope that was clear/helpful.
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Post by Ava on Jan 3, 2019 20:37:32 GMT
Thanks for answering. Your answer above is intriguing. If you don't mind me asking: do you formulate these ideas yourself, or do you have books, or do you use the internet?
"As the rights you have for yourself increases the stuff that bothers you increases as well."
Well there is always the right to be at peace.
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Post by ciel on Jan 4, 2019 14:51:00 GMT
Yea I formulate the ideas myself. Its a cumulation, after then all you gotta do is connect the infos. We all learn stuff from places. I dont have a solid source; books etc. But instead I try to learn from everywhere and any minute. Its an always developing process. And by bothering, I meant the lower standarts. Not the type of geting bothered because of sth you dont have. Like no person would like to live in a barn (instead you hate yourself) but animals find it normal, right? Some people are lower than the animals. When you say that many people will get bothered, they are the 2. type. In my opinion
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