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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 11:15:41 GMT
So his wife has been jailed against will for more than 10 years now and the LA cop seems to atten the church events. He has saturn r in Capricorn at 18 degree and Jupiter R at 3 degree. Anyway Leah Remini started her show exposing the hitch while Pluto was on his Saturn. I wonder if his Saturn return will finally lead to his downfall... imjust keeping this thread open as prayers for Shelly His chart: www.astrotheme.com/astrology/David_MiscavigePluto is actually on the midpoint of her Saturn and Jupiter (her natal planets are direct). Her Jupiter is on his Saturn. Neptune is also on her venus |
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Dec 18, 2018 13:09:37 GMT
I talk my friends' ears off about this every chance I get. Scientology and the whole Miscavige/Cruise saga.
Have you read the parts about Nazanin Boniadi? There are plenty of horror stories out there.
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Post by Ava on Dec 18, 2018 13:23:15 GMT
I thought this was a news story, but there's nothing about finding her in jail. 12YearsABlob, I've also paid too much attention to Scientology over the years. It's basically like a legal Mafia. |
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Dec 18, 2018 13:24:32 GMT
^ Yeah, maybe it refers to their scientology special "jail"? Honestly, I thought she was dead.
:ETA: Oh you mean the news story. Yeah, I too thought there was one, can't find any.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 14:38:37 GMT
Ava there’s none. I’ve been thinking about it since the Leah’s tv show came out and been dying for something to happen to her. Something has gotten to happen to free her. She’s currently hid at a compound. Also Tom Cruise is a cancer and Leo moon and the whole Scientology is very cancer/Capricorn. Disconnection as a policy is very cap mars (which L Ron Hubbard had). So I’ve been thinking about how it’d affect them, the transits to Capricorn and all that. This horrid sham can’t just live on for forever ...
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Dec 18, 2018 14:47:02 GMT
They caught him young; when he was vulnerable. As do all cults. The Cancer side of him found a family in them that he didn't have in real life. That's not something he can let go of lightly. "This horrid sham can’t just live on for forever" Maybe. Maybe not. There'll always be lost souls looking for meaning in something outside of themselves, something that feels bigger than themselves, a surrogate family or spiritual release. Cults feed on that kind of vulnerability. By the time people realize what they got themselves into, it's usually too late.
I shudder to think what would've happened if some cult had taken me into their fold. I'd be too stupidly loyal to break out. And would end up sounding like this a few years down the line --
Not the brightest bulb, is he? Haha. I'm kind of embarrassed for him, but at the same time I realize it could just as easily be me...
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Post by Ava on Dec 18, 2018 15:36:18 GMT
the whole Scientology is very cancer/Capricorn  |
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Dec 18, 2018 16:10:56 GMT
^Hahaha! I thought it'd be more "when Neptune meets Saturn". Maybe throw in some Jupiter for can't-fail-awesomeness. (Cults in general, not scientology).
P.S. The people involved, the followers, would be an interesting study too.
Btw, @theunknown, Leah Remini has mars in Cancer.
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Post by Ava on Dec 18, 2018 19:26:04 GMT
^Hahaha! I thought it'd be more "when Neptune meets Saturn". Maybe throw in some Jupiter for can't-fail-awesomeness.  |
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Post by Ava on Dec 18, 2018 19:39:37 GMT
 Mercury in a grand trine with Jupiter (chart ruler) and Neptune I believe his intention was just to mess with people and play with life, see what could be done with it, considering people's weird malleability. From what I've gathered, it's hard to believe he actually believed in anything he wrote, as an actual truth. It's all just sci-fi, taking a sinister turn. I mean there isn't much difference between Tom Cruise's movie life and Scientology....they blend together. Using wide orbs he's got Jupiter-SN in Scorpio, Saturn-NN in Taurus. Miscavige's sun is on on that NN...well maybe he picked up the Saturnian element and made it even more pronounced and even draconian (his sun trine Cap Saturn and Jupiter). www.astrotheme.com/astrology/David_MiscavigeMiscavige's Mars-SN on Hubbard's sun in Pisces. So they have sun-node conjunctions both ways, pretty interesting. Yeah 12YearsABlob, I think Jupiter-Saturn-Neptune explains a lot of this. For the adults, I mean at some point people have to do due diligence and watch out for themselves. There's no excuse to join Scientology at this point. It's been exposed. The leader's wife is *MISSING*......can people wake up and see that's a giant red flag, or not? |
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Dec 18, 2018 19:49:40 GMT
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Dec 18, 2018 19:58:44 GMT
Mercury in a grand trine with Jupiter (chart ruler) and Neptune I believe his intention was just to mess with people and play with life, see what could be done with it, considering people's weird malleability. From what I've gathered, it's hard to believe he actually believed in anything he wrote, as an actual truth. It's all just sci-fi, taking a sinister turn. I mean there isn't much difference between Tom Cruise's movie life and Scientology....they blend together. Exactly. There's a saying where I'm from, which roughly translates to "people are susceptible to being fooled, they're just waiting for someone to blow smoke in their eyes". That's not a good translation and I'll try to fix it when I can think better. Anyway, point being, on some level people *want* to be fooled, bizarre as it might sound. People like Ron up there just try to see how far they can take it and how much they can get away with. A lot, apparently. Miscavige's Mars-SN on Hubbard's sun in Pisces. So they have sun-node conjunctions both ways, pretty interesting. Yeah 12YearsABlob , I think Jupiter-Saturn-Neptune explains a lot of this. For the adults, I mean at some point people have to do due diligence and watch out for themselves. There's no excuse to join Scientology at this point. It's been exposed. The leader's wife is *MISSING*......can people wake up and see that's a giant red flag, or not? Yeah, after a point, it's just people willingly sticking their head in the sand. So many appalling practices, including the way they treat children (and mothers). It all revolves around the whims of the top two (Miscavige & Cruise). Although I wonder what would happen in case of a showdown between them. It's ominous that there have never been criminal investigations for so many obvious cases. That screams money, power, influence, and oppression. Like you said, a legal mafia. I still wonder how they wield so much influence over law enforcement. Regular citizens, we can imagine. The organization has a lot of dirt on them and is generous with its use of scare tactics. But the authorities? What do they have on them? Or are they untouchable for some other reason?
P.S. Yeah, their "teachings" sound like badly written sci-fi.
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Post by Ava on Dec 18, 2018 21:01:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 23:45:04 GMT
12YearsABlob nahhhh i wouldn’t let Tom cruise off the hook that easily. He’s not out of Scientology because there he’s loyalty. They pick girlfriends for him. He is treated like gold. That’s a Leo moon’s ultimate goal, especially if you got sun in cancer. He definitely witness how David beats up ppl. Tom Cruise is kinda psychopathic if you ask me. Even in that interview, this air of arrogance. Regarding cults, of course they exist but the fact that Shelly has gone missing/been jailed for this long as a public knowledge... like isn’t somebody supposed to do something about it? Ava ok i understand it’s a Jupiter/Neptune/Saturn thing. But the key ppl have a lot of cancer/cap planets. I should have specified lol. The thing that drove Leah Gemini to expose the church is the whole family separation policy. David is a cancer moon. Shelly is a Capricorn. They both have Jupiter and Saturn in capricorn too. A lot of ppl who worked with L Ron Hubbard said he really believed in the stuff he wrote and I get the sense he’s delusional and had delusion of grandeur for himself. When the gov used to hunt church members down, they used to have to stay on boats/ships to escape (thus the Sea org) and L Ron Hubbard apparently really worked hard on the ships just like everyone else. Why would you do that, being hunted down and almost exiled if you just want to play with ppl? I believe his wife eventually was arrested.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Dec 18, 2018 23:55:04 GMT
12YearsABlob They pick girlfriends for him. He is treated like gold. Yeah I agree, that's what I was referring to by "everything revolves around them" (him & Miscavige)..  Merely exploring his initial motives for getting into the cult... Not saying that absolves him or anything. That's not for me to say. I just think the dynamics of leader-follower (or, in this case the pet/star follower) are interesting. It's always the same story, different players.
Sometimes the pet follower has more of a backbone than the leader anticipates (a la Ma Anand Sheela, Osho's right hand woman). Sometimes not, and this type is easy to keep around by playing to their needs. Cruise's Leo moon needs for instance, are his undoing. He also has NN-MC there, Venus a bit farther off. It's all in the 10th, so it's pretty obvious and easy to manipulate if someone so desires.
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Post by anela on Dec 19, 2018 8:18:41 GMT
This is why I asked about this medical medium guy. I'm drinking celery juice here and there, but I'd forgotten about the whole "medium" bit (haven't read his personal story), and it just had me feeling really iffy, when I wondered if he'd got his information from people like Jay Kordich (Juice man), and a woman told me, "he get his info from spirit". Someone else posted, asking if there was anyone out there who didn't buy everything that he says/is selling, and she was jumped on by a few people. Talking about spirit being totally trustworthy. Some of them freak me out - they blindly accept everything, and if someone is doing really poorly on his diet and supplements, it's all put down to detox of a few diseases. Any rash is shingles, and so on.
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