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Post by lumina on Dec 9, 2018 21:38:30 GMT
Well at least the Sun-Moon-opposition can be very strong. Actually oppositions, too, seem to have a strong impact, but sometimes it is a push-pull-thing going on. For example my pr Moon on his Mars was just fabulous and sparkly and fun. his pr Moon opposing my Mars was more "mixed" and partly a bit difficult and volatile.
However the opposition was also coming with our progressed composite Moon on 29 Cancer squaring Chiron on 29 Aries, and it was uncanny, the tension simply dissolved once pr Moon had left Cancer and that square behind, so it might have figured in as well.
my pr Moon on his natal Mars was coming with pr composite Moon on 17 Cancer just separating from an opposition to composite Venus on 16 Cap and a square to Pluto on 15 Libra and applying to square the pr nodal axis on 18 Libra, hence being a skipped step. Maybe not the easiest configuration, but definitely providing a lot of emotional sparks. lol
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Post by nightandday on Dec 10, 2018 1:33:03 GMT
What about pr.moon oppositions? Has anyone experienced that? My husband's progressed moon was opposite my progressed sun when we met. And, my P Sun was square our comp Moon. Another important person in my life- (his birth time is questionable) Him N Sun- 18 Pisces N Moon- 7-11 Aqua When we met- Him P Sun- 29 Aries-0 Tau P Moon- 11-14 Leo (13 Leo my N DSC) Me N Sun- 13.58 Aries N Moon- 23.30 Cap When we met- Me P Sun- 24.27 Tau P Moon- 21.40 Can (my husband and I's Comp DSC) Comp Sun- 1 Aries Moon- 0-3 Aqua Progressed Comp- When we met- Sun- 12 Tau Moon- 0-3 Leo So, his P Moon was square our P comp Sun. And, his P Sun was square our Comp and P Comp Moon (road blocks all around) He entered into a relationship with a woman with whom their composite Moon conjuncted his P Sun. I may add another important person when I have time. But, was also wanting to mention that in addition to hard aspects between the sun and moon in the natal and progressed charts, I've also noticed that there is usually a conjunction from the composite chart to the P composite, or a conjunction taking place in the P composite, at the beginning of a relationship. OR, if neither of those were present (I looked thru about 15 charts yesterday and only 1 didn't have those things taking place) then there were conjunctions happening from the P chart of each person to the Comp or P Comp.<<<<I hope all of that made sense. My Pisces Merc isn't very good at making things understandable to others.
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Post by lumina on Dec 10, 2018 9:44:10 GMT
What about pr.moon oppositions? Has anyone experienced that? I've also noticed that there is usually a conjunction from the composite chart to the P composite, or a conjunction taking place in the P composite, at the beginning of a relationship. OR, if neither of those were present (I looked thru about 15 charts yesterday and only 1 didn't have those things taking place) then there were conjunctions happening from the P chart of each person to the Comp or P Comp.<<<< Perfect sense! And thank you for the great observation.
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Post by Ava on Dec 10, 2018 13:34:20 GMT
Thanks for these great insights nightandday. So happy to have you here. My husband and I do fit in with the pattern you noticed. On our first date: - My pr moon @ 21° Cap exactly conjunct composite DSC, fitting right in with our composite kite @ 20-22° earth/water - His pr moon @ 2 Aries conjunct composite MC @ 4 Aries Therefore both our progressed moons hit angles in the regular composite then.
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Post by lumina on Dec 10, 2018 14:22:38 GMT
P and me had pr Moon on composite DESC this summer, along with his pMoon on my natal DESC and my pMoon on his natal DESC, and somewhen this year pr composite MC having reached the composite Sun.
The first time he ever approached me our pr composite Sun had reached the exact degree of composite ASC (the conjunction was very precise, just 2 minutes of orb if at all)
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Post by despina81 on Jan 8, 2021 14:03:43 GMT
as for pr Moon on Mars - well we had that synastrically. my pr Moon on his n Mars and then pr Mars. It was a really fun experience. I want to learn what you mean by funny? Because ı Will have this aspect soon with my ex?
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Post by lumina on Jan 8, 2021 16:39:22 GMT
as for pr Moon on Mars - well we had that synastrically. my pr Moon on his n Mars and then pr Mars. It was a really fun experience. I want to learn what you mean by funny? Because ı Will have this aspect soon with my ex? Hello and welcome despina81 well him and me are just "unlikely aquaintances" for a lack of better terms. my pr Moon conjunct his n Mars coincided with a timeframe, when we had nice, entertaining conversations (usually online, or through some emails) going on. That year there were also some surprising communications coming from him, nothing too extraordinary or huge for other people I think, but I never expected that to happen, so it was really cool. But of course those aspects are different for most people, it probably also depends how the conjunction is intervowen into the charts, in our case his Mars is conjunct Jupiter within one degree and both opposing my natal Jupiter exactly (and squaring my natal Neptune-NN and his Mercury within maybe 1-2 degrees). For two Sags this was just really fun, I suppose it was fun to him, too, but it of course was also temporary and I wouldn´t attach too much meaning to it, except that it was energizing and uplifting and really hilarious (and obviously we got other people`s attention too, who were remarking on our "crazy humour", yeah at least during that time frame we really were on each other`s wavelength I suppose), but as I said those things are temporary. Though we are still somewho in each other`s life (without really being in each other`s life), but somehow this unlikely aquaintanceships just continues, with stops and starts and holes in between, but by now it just is "there" and I guess we`ve both have come to expect each other to be just there, in a casual, not too close, yet constant way. But I do not really know what this is, or why that is, just watching curiously the curves and loops and whatever this weird connection, if I can call it like that even, takes. At least it is never boring. And never the same, always fluctuating and changing and developing. But I really don´t know. What I know however is that we have never been "a thing", I mean in the usual romantic term. I tis somehow easier to say what this is NOT, than what it is. Or actually what it has NOT BEEN, and that is, an affair, romantic relationship or anythingg of that sort. Anyway, to answer the question, in our case there was surprising attention coming my way, short but repeated chatting/ messaging, just casually, funny, sometimes a tad flirtative, often quite crazy stuff, and always entertaining to me.
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Post by despina81 on Jan 8, 2021 17:29:41 GMT
as for pr Moon on Mars - well we had that synastrically. my pr Moon on his n Mars and then pr Mars. It was a really fun experience. what happens when pr moon conjuncts others pr mars? It will conjunct in a few months with my ex what can happen
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Post by Ava on Jan 9, 2021 1:20:43 GMT
as for pr Moon on Mars - well we had that synastrically. my pr Moon on his n Mars and then pr Mars. It was a really fun experience. what happens when pr moon conjuncts others pr mars? It will conjunct in a few months with my ex what can happen I just had this with my ex on our composite NN, and nothing happened, though we talked a few months before. But it's Scorpio. Not always demonstrative. The whole picture needs to be assessed.
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Post by lumina on Jan 10, 2021 14:29:57 GMT
Absolutely. In the case I mentioned, there were o.ther things at play, too. Nodal transits for once, but also a few months prior to this there was a Solar eclipse within 3 degrees conjunct my Jupiter (and closer to my Ceres and my name in his chart). We were in each other`s presence during the exact moment of the eclipse actually, and pretty much the week or two weeks after that all of this started to "roll". I mentioned the time when pr Moon was conjunct his Mars-Jupiter, and that was a really cool time, but actually this was part of a development/ interaction that had started months prior. Also my pr Moon had been applying to a partile conjunction to his NN when I was attending the first workshop, which I guess set those things in motion. And he was having his nodal return a few months later, and actually right when Tr NN was conjunct his natal NN (mean Node) we had a bit of a weird chat, well fun and casual, but weird in the sense, that I rarely chat to stranger men, while already basically lying in bed and on the verge of sleeping, of course he couldn`t have known that. LOL He was keeping me awake, semi-awake at least. Just thought it was sort of funny that this happened on the night exact of his nodal return.
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Post by Ava on Jan 10, 2021 15:27:46 GMT
lumina Your pr moon on his NN in Virgo, and the workshop was on the technicalities of singing, a communication (Virgo/Mercury) project. Well music is well-suited to the Virgo-Pisces axis I think. Well I'm just interested in how the signs play out.... My pr moon conjunct my ex's pr sun on his pr NN (@ 1°, 2°, 3° Scorpio respectively) as we negotiated some kind of ending. New moon (my moon on his sun) and this was the beginning of The End. edit
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Post by lumina on Jan 10, 2021 15:58:52 GMT
I still believe ITS a concealed new beginning for you Ava. I am stubborn, i Just feel IT in every cell that there will BE another chapter. A new moon Takes time to Become visible.
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Post by Ava on Jan 11, 2021 0:21:15 GMT
A new moon Takes time to Become visible. Ok, well timing does intrigue me, so let's see what the full visibility might be like. I might have done this before, knowing me... * New moon was @ 2 Scorpio (his pr sun conjunct my pr moon) * First quarter moon will be: his pr sun @ 10 Scorpio squaring my pr moon @ 10 Aqua. This is in effect while there's a full moon eclipse @ 9 Leo, Aug 2, 2027. Tr NN @ 11 Aqua conjunct Pluto @ 5 Aqua on my natal Mercury, squaring his pr Mercury-Uranus @ 7 Scorpio. * Full moon is very fascinating. His pr sun @ 18 Scorpio exact on my mean NN opp my pr moon @ 18 Taurus, conjunct tr Jupiter @ 19 Taurus. That's not the crazy part, it's that this occurs during a Saturn/Pluto opposition with tr Saturn @ 16 Leo (exact on his pr Saturn), tr Pluto @ 17 Aqua. Tr Uranus around 15 Cancer, opp my sun. It looks a bit dreadful, I mean his pr nodal chart has Pluto right on the MC, my pr chart has Mars right on the MC. His pr sun conjunct pr Mars in Scorpio, my pr sun conjunct transiting Mars in that time frame (October 2035). But we'll be pretty old by then, if we're even alive. Just a curious and honestly dramatic pr full moon synastry. === Edit: Using his nodal chart, in about 25 years he has in progression 28 Scorpio, my name asteroid 29 Scorpio, sun-moon conjunction 0 Sag Mars That forms grand trines with my pr sun @ 27 Pisces, pr Saturn @ 26 Cancer. That's the part where we reunite for cactus steaks and Tequila one afternoon in the desert, whether we're still alive or just ghosts, I think that would be alright. === Edit: Pardon the data avalanche Just checked our progressions for when we parted ways in the 90s. My pr sun @ 7 Aqua, his nodal-chart pr moon 11 Aqua. More or less a new moon. The full moon occurred in 2012, my pr sun @ 23 Aqua opp his moon of course. He had two exact progressions at the time: Mercury-Pluto and Mars-Uranus. That was a difficult year for him, having nothing to do with me, just circumstances. Anyway so there are always two synastric lunation cycles occurring in progression between two people, A's sun to B's moon and B's sun to A's moon. Our next new moon, with his moon conjunct my sun, occurs @ 6 Pisces in five years, exact on my draconic IC (rectified chart). Not expecting anything, but just as a general opinion, based on what I've observed, I feel the overall cosmic "clockwork" of a meaningful relationship will be interesting and prove itself out over time whether the people still talk or not. Or even if they're alive or not. Pls don't quote
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Post by lumina on Jan 11, 2021 21:24:06 GMT
Ava pr Moon aspects or phases are super exciting. Yours especially! both actually. I am a bit scared now about the 2035 bit, that transiting Saturn-Pluto opposes/conjuncts my Moon exactly, and Tr Uranus will be on my Saturn. Ugh. Well last time Tr Saturn opposed my Moon was 2 months after I first crossed paths with P, and actually around that time I stumbled into LL, Tr Pluto was conjunct my Sun-Mercury at that time simultaneously. Also been thinking the same with the coexisting lunar cycles. Well in P`s and my case, his pr Sun is at 8 Aqua, mine is at 12 Aqua - they are 4 degrees apart, well there might be some shifts over the years, but not hugely though, they will be always kinda close. This means that whenever one person`s pr Moon will make an aspect to each other`s pr Sun, it also will do to one`s own pr Sun. In my case my pr Moon will FIRST aspect his pr Sun and THEN my own, for him it is the reverse. I do wonder what that means, if there is a meaning. I was thinking that possibly in my case something happens between us, and THAT is triggering some development in myself, some decision or something like that, whereas for him it might be that there is some internal development being prepared inside of him, and then I come and stumble into that field. Also those peak in developments (just using exactness) are roughly 4 months apart, which is not too much. BTW M`s and my pr Moons are more or less conjunct, I use her nodal chart for this. Well but I took the time today to investigate this a little bit, there is actually a variance. For example when I met P (and had no clue about her, as it was before her time) her and my pr Moon had been about 13-14 degrees apart from each other. HOwever since 2011/ 2012 this got gradually closer. From 2016 on the difference became less than one degree, and in fact our pr Moons were completely exactly conjunct (no orb) from 20th - 30th august 2017, from then they gradually, but very very slowly started to separate again. Well that exact conjunction took place on 12 Virgo, not really coincidentally conjunct P``s Mars-Jupiter-conjunction I suppose. lol (the only thing that surprises me is that she has not got anything near 10 degree mutable, well maybe one of her angles falling there, or in her case it is just a progressed Moon thing. Anyway even though the very precise exact conjunction was there in 2017, our pr Moon stayed in a partile orb for some years, in fact it left the partile orb last year (and is now about 1 and a half degree apart, still very close of course). Anyway the time it went out of partile orb, was actually in the first half of last september. And about 10 days prior to that we sort of crossed paths and LITERALLY went into separate directions. lol Well this is getting wider apart still, next year (always checked january) it will be 3 degrees apart, and by 2025 it will be 9 degrees apart, and then in 2030-2035, 14 degrees apart, after 2035 it will getting slowly closer together, but from 14 degrees to one degree it would take some more years (the first time round about 8 years or so). Waht this means, at least in terms of timing is that, for the recent years and at the moment, whenever one of our pr Moon was aspecting P`s pr Sun, so was the other. Just most of the time, her pr Moon is ahead of mine a little, so she is making the aspect first, except for when they were exactly aligned of course, Well if we take an orb of 1 degree it means, that we would make the same aspect within the same month. That definitely is close enough for me to count as very specific timing. Another thing is that her pr Sun is square my pr Sun, sometimes more, sometimes less, at the moment they are at 42 minutes apart, her pr Sun is ahead of mine again. Well so since our pr Moons are conjunct, and our pr Suns are square, it also means that we have a relevant aspect of the progressed lunar cycle in our own charts, within a couple of months of each other Like for example I will have a pr Moon-pr-Sun-square from 13°48 SCorpio - 13°48 Aquarius on 22nd december 2021 She will have pr Moon - pr Sun - opposition from 14°17 Scorpio - 14°17 Taurus on 21st october 2021. That is pretty close! Since our pr Moons are on our ways away from each other, well at least up to 14-15 degrees difference, that might actually be the closest timing-encounter I think? have not checked, but oh boy! lol Granted I used her nodal chart, but no matter when she is really born, she WILL have that progressed fullmoon somewhen within this year. More number crunching I know. lol
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Post by lumina on Jan 11, 2021 21:44:03 GMT
BTW speaking of progressed Moon-cycles in synch or rougly so.
P and the first P have their pr Moons conjunct too. P1 has his a bit ahead of P`s. 13°38 Cancer - 9°38 Cancer (btw P1 has his pr Moon conjunct pr Venus on 15 Cancer, both in orb for conjunc tmy pr Saturn on 13 Cancer and n Saturn on 16 Cancer and heading towards my pr DESC on 17 Cancer).
Anyway just found it curious that P and P 1 have their pr Moons conjunct, like M and me have, and that M and P1 both are Aries and P and me Sags. It is a coincidence, but quite something.
Oh and another one:
The Italian and me have our pr Moons square each other, at least currently, as we have seen with M that might get tighter or wider with time. Anyway his pr Moon has just changed signs like mine did. But his entered Aquarius, my natal Moon-sign.
so we have this
my pr Moon 1°03 Scorpio (conjunct n Uranus on 1°21 Scorpio and pr Uranus 2°28 Scorpio) his pr Moon 1°48 Aquarius (conjunct n Saturn on 0°24 Aqua and pr Saturn on 3°32 Aqua,)
Well looks interesting. LOL my Dark Moon but conjunct electric Uranus, and his liberated Moon but conjunct gloomy Saturn. LOL
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Post by lumina on Jan 11, 2021 21:59:49 GMT
Ava it is not quite as mindblowing with the other M (too many of the same initials. lol) but he has as of now pr Sun 8 Taurus pr Moon 19 Aquarius Well it is not as obviously aspecting my pr Sun or pr Moon, but there are some similiar aspects happening within a couple of months of each other, at least this year seems interesting his pr Moon must have been conjunct my natal Moon 2 months ago and actually conjunct my pr Sun about half a year ago. my pr Moon will be opposing his pr Sun in about 6-7 months. Interestingly his pr Sun is exactly squaring P`s pr Sun, his pr Moon must have conjuncted P`s pr Sun about a year ago (well they seemed quite close back then, or at leas tworking together a lot, and of course having been friends forever). and he himself had pr Moon in a closeing square to his pr Sun last year, just basically the week before the first lockdown started, and since he is an artist, that is very telling, he had to completely reinvent and reorient himself. Evaluate, make decisions. Well I will have that closing square at the end of the year, we seem to have a delayed cycle of about 18 months. lol AS I said not as close as the others, but thought this was neverteless interesting, coincidentally stumbling across those similiarites.
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Post by Ava on Jan 11, 2021 22:32:34 GMT
Well but I took the time today to investigate this a little bit, there is actually a variance. For example when I met P (and had no clue about her, as it was before her time) her and my pr Moon had been about 13-14 degrees apart from each other. HOwever since 2011/ 2012 this got gradually closer. From 2016 on the difference became less than one degree, and in fact our pr Moons were completely exactly conjunct (no orb) from 20th - 30th august 2017, from then they gradually, but very very slowly started to separate again. Ohhhh I thought pr moons all move at the same rate? Though I know about moon speed, slow moon versus fast moon, I guess it never occurred to me to apply that to progressions. Re: moon speed, I guess it depends on where the moon is in its orbit? Faster at perigee, slower at apogee? I believe I have a slow moon (haven't checked lately and only vaguely remember), and I've got moon opposing Priapus. More to say, just hit the "pause" button and wanted your opinion here.
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Post by lumina on Jan 11, 2021 22:39:46 GMT
Yes, this could be, not sure what causes it, but it seems that in certain signs it is slower/ faster.
Well my natal Moon is closish to the apogee (10 degree), and it is moderately slow (11°53).
When it was in Virgo it was close to 15° rate, now it is slowing down, but still at a rate of 13°something.
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Post by Ava on Jan 12, 2021 1:14:41 GMT
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Post by Ava on Jan 12, 2021 1:43:00 GMT
Actually around the time this forum was created, when my crown chakra was exploding (not in a good way), I had a progressed moon-Priapus conjunction in Virgo. Checking the date of that progressed chart, then checking the speed of the moon...my moon speed @ 14°56!
According to the speed table, that is the fastest my pr moon ever was. I'm still at high speed (over 14°) which might account for some of the internal drama of the last few years.
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