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Post by lumina on Dec 6, 2018 11:33:01 GMT
Have you tried that? For months with important events? Making a synastry between your current Solar and the monthly lunar return chart? Did the tight aspects reflect the events in question, did they trigger the Solar Return chart for you?
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Post by Ava on Dec 6, 2018 13:37:51 GMT
I've never done it. I barely pay attention to return charts. But thanks for the invitation to experiment. So I saved my return charts and created synastry bi-wheels with them. #1 Current overlay Exact conjunctions: LR Pallas conjunct SR ASC LR Saturn conjunct SR IC LR ASC conjunct SR Juno LR Sun conjunct SR Vesta Thematic for staying put #2 Next overlayLR features and exact moon-Mars conjunction (eek!) but it doesn't aspect the SR as much, just LR sun conjunct SR Mercury. #3 Overlay after thatThen it's a New Year and new SR. The first LR takes place shortly after the SR, so outer planets are all conjunct. Kicking it off with: LR ASC conjunct SR Venus (will I get new clothes for my birthday?! Hope so ) LR Jupiter conjunct SR ASC-Jupiter LR sun-Pluto conjunct SR moon-Pluto (@#$%^&!) LR IC-Neptune conjunct SR Neptune Gosh now I'm in suspense for what happens next. Cliffhanger. Do I survive the sun-Pluto on moon-Pluto?!? #4 February 2019 OverlayApparently I do survive, because this LR has Aries Mars right on the ASC. Looks active enough. Then again, the LR has moon conjunct Neptune in Pisces in the 12th house. What better for a ghost? And Mars is technically in the 12th house (0°24 minutes orb to ASC). Saturn is exact on my sun/SR sun, on the grim Cap MC. Look at me, I'm planning my funeral. Well not really, but in case the Lord takes me, at least this record survives, so people can say, "She was such a good astrologer, though! She saw it coming!" (Nevermind that I am almost constantly predicting my upcoming death and have done that since I was about 12. lol...8H Pisces moon square 5H Neptune. All in good fun.)
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Post by Ava on Dec 6, 2018 14:51:25 GMT
For months with important events? K now I'll actually answer the question. Here's the bi-wheel for my wedding, SR to LR. What else for me but a "fairytale wedding" with LR ASC conjunct Venus-Neptune? LR DSC = natal Saturn exact Of course there are other things to be seen here.
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Post by lumina on Dec 6, 2018 17:35:48 GMT
Ava, Here is a quote on this, which I might have quoted before. lol "When a Lunar Return closely matches the Solar Return by house cusps and house placements of the outer planets, a climatic four weeks will follow. In fact, this is likely to be the month in which the most important yearly events will take place. The most eventful period of the year will often find the same degree rising in the Lunar Return that was rising in the Solar Return. The Lunar Return Sun falling on an angle of the Solar Return also indicates an eventful period. When the Lunar Return Sun falls on a degree that activates an important Solar Return configuration, major yearly events indicated by the specific grouping will occur." horoscopes.hypermart.net/predict-3.shtmlAnyway I extended this towards other 4th harmonic aspects (as they tend to describe "events" or how things get "happening", in the case of a square, maybe blindside you, like you didn`t see coming what is bumping into you), and towards other planets. Of course the outer planets will usually be very close, though I do think that it is an interesting month if we have an outer planet aspecting an angle or planet in the Solar Return, and to see which month this will become exact. This seems to also work with daily transits making outer planetary aspects exact. For example my current lunar Return has Saturn on the IC (orb of 1°46), which is valid for the whole month naturally, but at some day during the month Tr Saturn was becoming exactly conjunct the IC, I just wondered if that might be important - on the concert last saturday Tr saturn was conjunct my LR IC by just 3 minutes applying and was getting totally exact (but I am content with 3 minutes in terms of exactness ) the day after that. The Lunar Return also had Saturn conjunct natal Venus by 4 minutes, and squaring LR ASC, which is in Libra hence Venus-ruled, by 4 minutes. Saturnd didn`t have any "nasty" exact or almost exact aspects to neither my natal nor the Return chart itself (squares to angles are different from planetary squares somehow). (by now Tr Saturn has started to partile square my natal Pluto, and on my next Lunar return this square will be virtually precise, with 0°00 orb. Yeah not looking forward to that. Tr Saturn square natal Pluto sounds not all that sweet. lol Three days after my lunar return begins Tr Venus will make an exact sextile to that LR Saturn, maybe that will help a little. Of course after that I am on my own with Pluto so to speak. Sorry getting carried away. "LR features and exact moon-Mars conjunction (eek!)" I had that in my october Lunar Return! It was not exact, but had a 3 degree orb. (happened in 10th house of the lunar return chart). Well october was the month of the Winterjam (Lunar Return happened just a day before the winterjam, curiously I put up a picture on instagram of a sunset that evening that I had been working on a little with the app, and the sun became VERY red. how fitting for Moon-Mars. lol) And the private concert was taking place during it as well. Tr Mars had just been catching up with my Moon the day before the private concert and was just separating from a partile orb from my Moon that day. So I guess that was my personal Moon-Mars-day in that lunar return. Also of importance: it was opposing my Solar Return Moon-Ceres conjunction (which fell onto the Solar eclipse in august, esp. SR Ceres). This was sort of kicked off those days surrounding the private concert, no wonder it was a rather intense experience, though with that kind of intensity that can get a little too much and almost feel like anger. lol If your LR features the exact Moon-Mars, maybe the Moon-mars event will take place right away for you, while I had to "wait" for Tr Mars to make the conjunction exact in that month?
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Post by Ava on Dec 6, 2018 18:26:24 GMT
When the Lunar Return Sun falls on a degree that activates an important Solar Return configuration, major yearly events indicated by the specific grouping will occur." Well in that wedding chart I posted, LR sun conjunct SR south node, but widely. 8°36 Pisces sun, lunar return 12°16 Pisces SN, solar return Be back later
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Post by lumina on Dec 6, 2018 19:19:57 GMT
Ava so about 4 days after the wedding the transiting Sun was conjunct the SR SN?
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Post by lumina on Dec 6, 2018 19:25:27 GMT
Ava that first LR - SR comparision in your new year is gobsmacking! I do wonder if the last and first Lunar Return`s might be "special" in some way, sort of like the last one wrapping up the year (the last chance?) and the first one maybe being about indicating a direction, laying a seed, starting something new, a taste of the year to come? "LR ASC conjunct SR Venus (will I get new clothes for my birthday?! Hope so )" Yes, could be. Or anything Venus related, romance, relationship, going to an artshow, creating art, enjoying creativity, falling in love, being in love etc. I would also check in what SR house this falls and possibly if it also overlays the natal. LR sun-Pluto conjunct SR moon-Pluto (@#$%^&!) Let`s talk about intensity! LOL Crazy. does that mean that your Lunar Return takes place just a short time after the Solar Return? I do think that is very important if that happens. Almost like a new Moon and here one coming with Pluto and a solar eclipse I think? LR IC-Neptune conjunct SR Neptune Well Neptune will be conjunct Neptune for all year I think, but the IC coming there makes this of particular importance, again I would look up the SR house of Neptune. and the aspects. Might be something dreamy, or what you dreamed of, could bring some feeling of spiritual home to you or if things go bad, erosion of the actual home (or too much rain?)
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Post by lumina on Dec 6, 2018 19:36:49 GMT
BTW I love your humour! "What else for me but a "fairytale wedding" with LR ASC conjunct Venus-Neptune?" Definitely. Crazy. "LR DSC = natal Saturn exact" committing to a relationship. Bringing the fairytale into manifestation, anchor it in the real here and now. Also of course Venus-Neptune is already in your natal, so this was extra potent, like it spoke to a very integral part of yourself and helped you to live it in the external world somehow. Speaking of Venus-Neptune, P was having that in the overlay when we bumped into each other coincidentally and had that coffee that afternoon. LR Venus 16 Virgo SR IC 16 Virgo LR Neptune 16 Pisces SR MC 16 Pisces the Lunar Return Venus-Neptune-opposition was just one minute of orb! (it is funny, but I am going to have 16 Virgo for a SR ASC this coming year) Additionally he was having: LR ASC conjunct his natal Venus on 25 Capricorn exact LR Mars 4 Aquarius LR NN 5 Leo SR Mars 5 Scorpio (his LR Sun was exact on our composite DESC btw) well LR Mars and LR NN fell close to the cusp of the SR 8th and 2nd house (LR Mars in SR 8th house) and they were "hitting" SR Mars in Scorpio in 5th house (of the Solar Return), and Scorpio was intercepted in the 5th house for both of us. EDIT: BTW the actual DAY that event took place (and hour even) there was Tr Moon 4 Leo Tr NN 5 Leo
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Post by lumina on Dec 6, 2018 19:54:58 GMT
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Post by Ava on Dec 6, 2018 19:56:11 GMT
Ava so about 4 days after the wedding the transiting Sun was conjunct the SR SN? 4 days after my last lunar return, before the wedding. The sun transited the SN, then my moon, then finished out the zodiacal year. We got married with tr sun @ 29 Pisces (and 0 Aries, that night).
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Post by Ava on Dec 6, 2018 20:23:36 GMT
Thanks for your comments lumina, "...that first LR - SR comparision in your new year is gobsmacking! I do wonder if the last and first Lunar Return`s might be "special" in some way, sort of like the last one wrapping up the year (the last chance?) and the first one maybe being about indicating a direction, laying a seed, starting something new, a taste of the year to come?" Yeah, maybe? Something I'd research if it were easier to make these bi-wheels, and if my life were more eventful.... "I would also check in what SR house this falls and possibly if it also overlays the natal." 4H Scorpio, on my daughter's sun...maybe it has something to do with her. "Let`s talk about intensity! LOL Crazy. does that mean that your Lunar Return takes place just a short time after the Solar Return? I do think that is very important if that happens. Almost like a new Moon and here one coming with Pluto and a solar eclipse I think?" Yeah, intense. I thought I got all my drama behind me this past year. The Universe is feeling like the boss from hell. I mean, what more do I have to DO here on this planet? My resume of "Crappy Experiences I've Survived" is already very long and impressive. Anyway, my SR has a new moon, not exact, moon is separating from the sun. So a few days later it reaches Pisces. "BTW I love your humour!" Ha, I'm crazy. Thanks. "committing to a relationship. Bringing the fairytale into manifestation, anchor it in the real here and now." Exactly "Also of course Venus-Neptune is already in your natal, so this was extra potent, like it spoke to a very integral part of yourself and helped you to live it in the external world somehow." Right. Also my natal Venus-Neptune is conjunct draconic Saturn (on my husband's Saturn), and here the Venus-Neptune is opposing my tropical Saturn. My Venus is also trine Saturn. I'm getting a little depressed. So much for transiting Jupiter conjunct my Venus today. "Speaking of Venus-Neptune, P was having that in the overlay when we bumped into each other coincidentally and had that coffee that afternoon.: That is AMAZING! And how funny that I brought up Venus-Neptune first. But your example tops mine, the orbs are smaller. "(it is funny, but I am going to have 16 Virgo for a SR ASC this coming year)" Like you're carrying that energy forward. All of this is interesting, just nodding and enjoying it all. I love new chart ideas to tinker with. Some people play solitaire, I do this.
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Post by Ava on Dec 6, 2018 20:31:09 GMT
Not finished replying, be back later again.
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Post by lumina on Dec 7, 2018 6:54:55 GMT
Ava so about 4 days after the wedding the transiting Sun was conjunct the SR SN? 4 days after my last lunar return, before the wedding. The sun transited the SN, then my moon, then finished out the zodiacal year. We got married with tr sun @ 29 Pisces (and 0 Aries, that night). Can you remember if something happened or how you did feel when the Sun transited the SN and your Moon in particular? Give or take a day I suppose.
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Post by lumina on Dec 7, 2018 7:22:37 GMT
Ava "I thought I got all my drama behind me this past year." Oh drama never ceases to be. It just takes some pauses in between to take a breath for a new rise. And of course it comes in different shapes and forms. "Anyway, my SR has a new moon, not exact, moon is separating from the sun. So a few days later it reaches Pisces. " But this is a "real" New Moon then. my SR last year almost had a new Moon, too, but Moon was applying to Sun, so still in the balsamic phase, and hence I think it was more of a "wrapping up" Moon, which it was, albeit at the same time bringing in some new things, so a mix possibly. Well transiting Sun is only now coming round for triggering that SR Moon (and SR Venus) now, right on my next Lunar Return (12th december). 3 days later on the next concert (and last - for this year) Tr Sun will be separating from the exact conjunction to the Sun/Moon-mp of the Solar Return (and Sun/Venus-mp - actually by the start of the concert Tr sun Will be closer to Sun/Venus-mp, on the same degree albeit separating, and also separating albeit in partile orb from my natal Venus/Neptune and Venus/Node-mp and applying to my Moon/Uranus and Pluto/Ceres, and falling right onto P`s natal Sun/Neptune and then applying to his Moon/Neptune and Venus/Uranus, which are both already conjuncting my natal Mercury and Sun, yeah I guess I am puzzling him generally speaking. lol) But anyway just 5 days after my next lunar return (and only 2 days after the concert) my new Solar Return will take place, so I guess there is quite a bit shifting around in between 12th and 17th december for me, with the concert in the middle on 15th december. lol Though I do not expect any outstanding things to happen on this one, the last one was outstanding enough, and usually such a thing is being followed by a "sobering down-thing" or just a more normal/ average, sometimes downright disappointing thing. it`s just the usual "sequence" and cycle we`ve been on many times before, though this time he changed a bit about the cycle, usually about 3 days after us connecting more closely than we maybe should, this is followed by a major message to his wife. Which he didn`t do this time, well he put up one of the more reflective messages, that usually follow, but it was not to his wife. So I guess this sequence-thing of (good-bad etc.) is not a firm rule. or it comes with a delay this time. "Right. Also my natal Venus-Neptune is conjunct draconic Saturn (on my husband's Saturn), and here the Venus-Neptune is opposing my tropical Saturn. " makes sense, it anchors this symbolism even more, that Neptune AND Saturn are connected to Venus, and esp. the Saturn-part was being crystallized by your husband. "So much for transiting Jupiter conjunct my Venus today. " Well there are often more things playing into this. " That is AMAZING! And how funny that I brought up Venus-Neptune first." Yes. thought so, too. "Like you're carrying that energy forward." Yes, and I found it intriguing that his current lunar Return seems to foreshadow at least parts of the Solar Return energy to come. his current Lunar Return has ASC on 20 Virgo, and his next Solar Return is having ASC on 19 Virgo, and actually they are in partile conjunction. LR MC on 17 Gemini, SR MC on 16 Gemini. though his Lunar return is on the verge of changing (tomorrow his new one and last for this year will take place) Well there are of course differences (like LR Venus in Libra trine LR Mars in Aquarius, and btw our last meeting had the DESC on his LR Mars on my natal Black Moon exact,and his natal true Priapus - and the Solar return will have Venus in Scorpio trine Neptune in Pisces, with the SR Mars in Pisces on the SR DESC - so that will be different of course) "I love new chart ideas to tinker with. Some people play solitaire, I do this. " Same here
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Post by Ava on Dec 7, 2018 14:10:29 GMT
Oh drama never ceases to be.
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Post by lumina on Dec 7, 2018 14:39:16 GMT
BTW I just realized that P`s lunar return for january will take place 2 days before the 6th january, and mine will be 2 days later, so I got the idea to check the composite lunar returns, the last for this year which starts on 10th december, and then the one for january. (just had the lunar return charts saved and made a composite of them). This is how this year is ending: this is how 2019 is starting apparently:
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Post by lumina on Dec 7, 2018 14:55:49 GMT
btw just looking at the composite-lunar return of august this year (the coffee-month. lol I know I sound like a broken record, but it was just so important)
°LR ASC conjunct c-Vesta on 2 Pisces exact, LR DESC falling onto his natal NN with 1 degree
° LR MC on 16 Gemini falling right into the middle of our c-Mercury-Neptune-conjunction (Mercury on 17 Sag, Neptune on 15 Sag)
° LR Venus conjunct LR Vertex on 18 Virgo in 7th house exact, opopsing LR Neptune on 16 Pisces, also trine LR Pluto on 19 Cap (on the midpoint of cour comnposite Moon-Venus-conjunction, composite Pholus is on 14 Pisces I believe)
°LR Sun on 3 Leo conjunct LR NN on 5 Leo, opposing LR Mars on 4 Aqua squaring LR Uranus on 2 Taurus - I think our progress3ed composite Moon might have been on 3 leo or nearby, also our c-DESC on 1 Leo
The eventchart itself had DESC on 2 Taurus conjunct Uranus exact, and Moon on 4 Leo conjunct Nn on 5 Leo and Mars on 00 Aquarius on our c-ASC
Oh and Tr Ceres was on 18 Virgo falling onto that Venus-Vertex in the Lunar Return exact; Tr Juno on 16 Taurus on our composite IC exact (and my name in my chart)
just what jumped out at me, but it is quite impressive.
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Post by Ava on Dec 9, 2018 15:49:47 GMT
Okay I am way behind with this thread, lumina . Not sure I can catch up fully. "...I do think that it is an interesting month if we have an outer planet aspecting an angle or planet in the Solar Return, and to see which month this will become exact. This seems to also work with daily transits making outer planetary aspects exact."
Makes sense, but I haven't done this much and have no informed opinion. "For example my current lunar Return has Saturn on the IC (orb of 1°46), which is valid for the whole month naturally, but at some day during the month Tr Saturn was becoming exactly conjunct the IC, I just wondered if that might be important - on the concert last saturday Tr saturn was conjunct my LR IC by just 3 minutes applying and was getting totally exact (but I am content with 3 minutes in terms of exactness ) the day after that."
Was that when P was giving you a certain memorable look? Well he's a natal Saturn-angle person, so it makes sense if he's the one delivering the Saturn-angle highlights. "The Lunar Return also had Saturn conjunct natal Venus by 4 minutes, and squaring LR ASC, which is in Libra hence Venus-ruled, by 4 minutes."Niiice. Good old Venus. What a fabulous planet really. "...by now Tr Saturn has started to partile square my natal Pluto, and on my next Lunar return this square will be virtually precise, with 0°00 orb. Yeah not looking forward to that."
We'll eat, drink, and be merry through this Cap moon, creating nice memories to sustain you through whatever lies ahead. I've got a cup of hot chocolate here. Cheers! "Of course after that I am on my own with Pluto so to speak."
Aw, you never have to be ALONE with Libra Pluto. If all else fails: "Sorry getting carried away."
I forgive you if you forgive me. "and the sun became VERY red. how fitting for Moon-Mars. lol"
WOW! "This was sort of kicked off those days surrounding the private concert, no wonder it was a rather intense experience, though with that kind of intensity that can get a little too much and almost feel like anger. lol"
That whole thing was strange. Well moon-Mars in interpersonal signs, it can get confusing, because it's a blending of primal, instinctual feeling with the realm beyond, or transcendence. Moon-Mars in Aquarius might be dealing with mysterious shocks and delivering them without even realizing it (lightning doesn't get struck by its own lightning, it just IS lightning.) Moon-Mars in Pisces feels a bit like "for the love of all that's holy, please be kind. Would it kill you to be more aware and considerate?" But this is internal pressure and a challenge to myself as much as anyone, it's all universal. There's no accusation possible really, when I'm seeing everything as interconnected and "it is as it was meant to be." There's just the heat generated where desire creates friction with acceptance. Desire for all possibilities (Pisces = universal) coming up against acceptance of what's actually happening and likely to keep on that same trajectory. "If your LR features the exact Moon-Mars, maybe the Moon-mars event will take place right away for you, while I had to "wait" for Tr Mars to make the conjunction exact in that month?"Hmm, yeah I wonder. Well the LR beginning next week has moon-Mars exact in the 8th, so there could be no event, just me brooding. LR Mars disposits LR Uranus on the 1° Taurus MC. Whew. I'd rather internalize than publicize, when Aries Uranus is on the MC. Above all things I'm a Capricorn sun...I don't want to let Aries Uranus rule my life! The LR has a curious mini triangle: 8 Scorpio Venus 8 Sag Jupiter 9 Cap Saturn Jupiter = Venus/Saturn midpoint "Jupiter: One takes a positive attitude toward the limitations encountered in life, and in general can be happy with simplicity and austerity. The desire to expand the depth of one's relationships." I'm always sort of like that though. Well my Venus, Jupiter, and Saturn form a fire grand trine by element.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 3:53:27 GMT
Actually if you stay in the same location there are patterns for solar returns and lunar returns.
I read about in some esoteric book but never actually care to apply it in real life. I believe it also says you can predict things more accurately too.
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