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Post by Ava on Nov 8, 2018 3:17:53 GMT
It doesn't really begin until 4:44
First up:
- Connections to the Vertex
More specifically:
- Look at transits to Vertex when you meet, or significant Vertex action in lunar and solar returns - In synastry: see if your personal planets and/or ruler of your 5th, 7th, or 8th are connecting to their Vertex, and vice versa
Not sure if I recorded that accurately, feel free to correct me. It all seems kinda loose and open: mission is, find Vertex aspects.
Around 9:00 she goes to the next one (spoiler, sun-moon connection) but first I wonder if anyone wants to explore this?
What's up with your Vertex and the people you've really connected with?
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Post by Ava on Nov 8, 2018 3:26:31 GMT
My solar return Vertex for 2018 is @ 16.07 Aries in the 7H, conjunct my natal Jupiter (*If my chart's correct)
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For 2019, Vertex @ 28 Cancer conjunct NN @ 26 Cancer in my 8th house. Oh great. Well at least it's not boring.
For the year I got married, Vertex squares my Venus and transiting Pluto. I was too hardcore back then.
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Edit: If my chart's correct, my husband's draconic sun is on my Vertex.
Also I posted the full list of soulmate indicators, according to this video, on page 2.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Nov 8, 2018 3:44:26 GMT
Aah, the Vertex moves way too fast. Can't check synastry without birth times. For what it's worth, my mom's Sun (and Pluto, I think?) is conjunct my Vertex. Lol, not what we're looking for in this thread. But yeah, that's a "fated" encounter for sure.
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Post by lumina on Nov 8, 2018 5:03:12 GMT
off the topic of my head, when I was meeting P, I was having my pr Antivertex conjunct pr Mercury conjunct pr Venus on my natal Moon
pr Avx 17°54 Aqua pr Venus 18°03 Aqua pr Mercury 18°04 Aqua n Moon 17°06 Aqua
(Venus ruling 5th, Mercury, 7th and Moon 8th natally)
Funny enough, my pr Mercury has turned retrograde while being on my pr AVX again.
pr Mercury 25°24 Aqua pr Avx 26°06 Aqua
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Post by lumina on Nov 8, 2018 6:13:30 GMT
She`s great btw. Totally agree with her, and love her perception of Neptune, completey resonates with my own. Well as I think of Neptune: it could be the ultimate love or the grand delusion. You really have to check other things to see what it is, and in square or opposition aspects chances are great it is the second choice or plainly like that "unreachable star, the impossible dream", just staying out reach, kind of unavailable somehow (not always, again, you gotta check other things). But jeez, it feels so darn good, doesn´t it? And seriously our life needs a bit of that magical romance, no matter if it is lasting or reasonable or meant to result in a marriage with children and paying the mortgage and so on. I think both has its merits actually. like transits of Neptune to Venus, you meet someone new and they are like the ultimate dream or something (or so elusive that it drives you crazy. lol) anyway, I`d prefer the conjunction or trine over the square or opposition for sure. having said that wonder how Lancelot feels about me. lol We first met and talked with Tr Neptune on his Venus, and it seems that everytime we meet up again, the aspect is being repeated. Well it`s connected to his nodal axis with Venus on SN and Neptune squaring it, he even has that stuff natally. lol maybe I should let him know I am not really that dreamy. lol) Funny tidbit, right when we met, Tr Neptune started to conjunct P`s and my pr composite Venus, and did so for YEARS. We did not connect (like in ACTUALLY talking to each other. lol) until Tr Neptune finally separated from that Venus. However the dreams, intuitive insights and such during that time were mindblowing. Not too long ago his pr Venus was squaring my Neptune and pr Neptune. lol but by now it separated from that too and instead this year (or did it start last year) trine my Saturn and p Saturn. sorry no Vertex connection I know. But I am certainly intrigued with in particular Venus-Neptune or Mars-Neptune. BTW when I sort of slid back into P`s life, albeit at first in a bit of a strange way, he was experiencing Solar Arc Neptune conjunct n Venus precise (and solar arc Venus on his n SN and Eros/psyche-mp at the beginning of Pisces). having said that I guess I am Neptunian with Neptune on my ASC (and NN) natally, and my name in his chart is in Pisces, so I suppose it makes sense that I show up together with Neptune. lol Well as he had been singing right into my face: "This vision who was not quite real". couldn`t describe any Neptune-Venus-aspect any better. lol
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 10:38:22 GMT
The aspects are within 0-3 degrees My Son was born when the moon was right on my LR vertex. His IC/MC is conjunct my vertex/antivertex
I met his father when the sun was on his anti vertex and opposite his sun and venus(my vertex ruler) was on my vertex and opposite his own venus. His chiron-MC/IC-venus is conjunct my vertex/anti vertex and his asc/dsc square my vertex/antivertex. My moon is conjunct a little wide though(6 deg) his anti vertex.
My son has saturn on his fathers vertex(which is ruled by saturn and in his 5th), and squaring my sun. My son's sun is on his anti-vertex
My fathers sun is on my vertex
tbc.....
pls dont quote
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Post by lumina on Nov 8, 2018 12:09:02 GMT
Just keeping it to the synastry.
well the 5th, 7th and 8th house rulers are:
for him: Moon, Mercury/Venus, Pluto (Mars) for me: Venus, Mercury, Moon
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his Venus conjuncts my Antivertex widely - now it comes with a 4 and a half degree, but it is also a solar arc synchronized aspect.
I know people always say that Solar arc to solar arc does not matter as the natal aspects are being repeated, but it is not true for synastry, for each year age difference, the aspects are differing about 1 degree. Of course only partile aspects are used in solar arcs, but so slightly wider synastry aspects can become synchronized by solar arc (becoming exact).
Now this is in particular important if those are being triggered, if my solar arc planet is aspecting my natal strongly, so will the solar arc planet in the other chart, that is synchronized.
For example his solar arc Venus is at 5 Pisces at the current time and my Antivertex is at 5 or 6 Pisces as well (interestingly his solar arc Juno is on 6 Virgo, so it is synchronized with my Vertex, basically my Vertex-axis falls upon his Venus-Juno-opposition in our solar arcs.
This year this means that both, his solar arc Venus as well as my solar arc Vertex have been squaring my natal Mars on 5 Sag. his solar arc Venus square my natal Mars was precise in the first week of july btw., my solar arc Vertex square my natal Mars was exact in december last year. (the orb of 1 degree of course means it spans about one year, or actually 2 years, as we have 1 degree applying and 1 separating, if we really want one year time frame, we need to cut the orb to half a degree, his solar arc Venus on my solar arc Antivertex is a little over half a degree of orb)
But anyway, just a little tangent. lol
his Pluto, (8th house ruler, falling into his intercpeted 7th house) is squaring my Vertex-axis by just 7 minutes of arc - Well my Vertex is important anyway as it is falling along my Sun/moon-mp axis by just 4 minutes I think, oh and Eros is exactly conjunct there as well. Gotta watch those 21 degrees of CAncer (And then Cap and Libra-Aries).
continuing later
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Post by Ava on Nov 8, 2018 12:15:09 GMT
Aah, the Vertex moves way too fast. Can't check synastry without birth times. For what it's worth, my mom's Sun (and Pluto, I think?) is conjunct my Vertex. Lol, not what we're looking for in this thread. But yeah, that's a "fated" encounter for sure. Wow If my birth time is right, my father and I have ASC conjunct Vertex DW. His moon-Vertex in early Leo conjunct his draconic sun and his mother's draconic sun-Pluto. So, his Vertex conjunct his mother's draco sun-Pluto...coincidence. edit
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Post by Ava on Nov 8, 2018 12:16:46 GMT
off the topic of my head, when I was meeting P, I was having my pr Antivertex conjunct pr Mercury conjunct pr Venus on my natal Moon pr Avx 17°54 Aqua pr Venus 18°03 Aqua pr Mercury 18°04 Aqua n Moon 17°06 Aqua (Venus ruling 5th, Mercury, 7th and Moon 8th natally) Jeez, that is CRAZY! But so typical for you two.
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Post by Ava on Nov 8, 2018 12:30:00 GMT
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Post by lumina on Nov 8, 2018 13:11:44 GMT
Ava on the story you shared, which I adore so much! Totally Neptune, too. But of course there is this really magical appeal of Neptune. We have to make our reality checks of course, but esp. in a conjunction or trine, it is just soooo romantic and magical. In a square maybe it feels even more compellingly romantic, but it`s a bit like a Fata Morgana most of the time. Well my solar arc NN and solar arc Neptune are actually applying to conjunct P`s natal Venus - as of now they are too far yet, though. Well his solar arc Uranus will be conjunct my natal Venus in 2 or 3 years as well, I wonder if those hit the same years. my sa NN conjunct his Venus in mid-end november 2019 exactly (so half a year before, this probably starts getting felt). my sa Neptune conjunct his Venus in february 2020 his sa Uranus conjunct my Venus will happen later, possibly in 2022, but at that time of 2019/ 2020 his sa Uranus will square my MC-IC (and his wife`s natal Juno, I always find it weird how her Juno falls exact on my MC. lol) at that time however his sa Mars-Jupiter will be on his natal Pluto in his intercepted 7th house. (and his is synchronized with my Venus by trine, and my Mars and ASC by square and obviously involving my natal Vertex as well, as his natal Pluto is exact squaring my natal Vertex).
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Post by lumina on Nov 8, 2018 13:17:58 GMT
I definitely think Draconic connections are right up there, I mean they are simply but intriguingly an extension of nodal connections, and she mentions those as well. the nodes, though not Draco, but well when she was mentioning Moon-Pluto, I just had to think about my Draco Pluto in partile opposition to P`s Draco Moon. lol Though I view oppositions in Draconic charts a bit differently as they simply have that SN-flavour, but are not necessarily antagonistic. If we were to use the South NOde for the calculation they would come up as conjunctions, that is what I mean, so they resonate with the South Node, well possibly means our souls have quite some story from forgotten history to tell. Interestingly tropically his Pluto trines my Moon (4 degrees, but in solar arcs they are synchronized with a bit more than 1 degree only), and just having mentioned his Venus on my AVX. well Draconically my Draco Venus (and his Draco Saturn and Draco DESC) fall right onto his Draco Vertex at the end of ARies (I think Uranus is right there at the moment and his progressed Vertex is somehow aligned with it too). my Draco DESC also falls onto his tropical Vertex-Saturn-DESC-combo (25-28 Virgo, so pretty close, and my DRaco DESC is at 26 Virgo).
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Post by lumina on Nov 8, 2018 13:20:12 GMT
oh and his Mercury is on the antiscion of my Vertex.
My Sun and Mercury are square his Vertex, and at the moment my pr Moon is applying to the antiscion of his Vertex. Maybe a more subtle thing.
just realized today that his Sun and my Pluto are solar arc synchronized by antiscia as well, and my sa Pluto has just been conjunct his natal Uranus in his 8th house this recent summer.
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Post by lumina on Nov 8, 2018 13:23:52 GMT
Vertex-connections (and draconics) are certainly very interesting. I probably wouldn`t say that Vertex always points to soulmate stuff, but it has something to do with those "fated moments", these "turning-points" in one`s life. In lunar returns they seem to point reliably to something suddenly and surprising taking place if some planets conjuncts, opposes or squares them tightly. Maybe in solar returns as well.
well the soulmate stuff really comes with other connections, and definitely with the MOon (or other things that are derived from the Moon, like the nodes or the Draconics for example, too; even the Black Moon most probably and of course the Moon-midpoints). I mean the Moon represents our soul, the instinctive emotional being, how could it not show up in soulmates?
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Post by Ava on Nov 8, 2018 13:44:29 GMT
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Nov 8, 2018 13:52:42 GMT
Wow If my birth time is right, my father and I have ASC conjunct Vertex DW. His moon-Vertex in early Leo conjunct his draconic sun and his mother's draconic sun-Pluto. So, his Vertex conjunct his mother's draco sun-Pluto, and his relationship with her was not good. So bad it messed his life up. But he treated her very well to the end. (And it's weird he has your birthday, too.) What, he has that too? So many parallels in our stories. Astrology is freaky.
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Post by lumina on Nov 8, 2018 13:57:53 GMT
I definitely think Draconic connections are right up there, I mean they are simply but intriguingly an extension of nodal connections, and she mentions those as well. the nodes, though not Draco, but well when she was mentioning Moon-Pluto, I just had to think about my Draco Pluto in partile opposition to P`s Draco Moon. lol Though I view oppositions in Draconic charts a bit differently as they simply have that SN-flavour, but are not necessarily antagonistic. If we were to use the South NOde for the calculation they would come up as conjunctions, that is what I mean, so they resonate with the South Node, well possibly means our souls have quite some story from forgotten history to tell. Interestingly tropically his Pluto trines my Moon (4 degrees, but in solar arcs they are synchronized with a bit more than 1 degree only), and just having mentioned his Venus on my AVX. well Draconically my Draco Venus (and his Draco Saturn and Draco DESC) fall right onto his Draco Vertex at the end of ARies (I think Uranus is right there at the moment and his progressed Vertex is somehow aligned with it too). my Draco DESC also falls onto his tropical Vertex-Saturn-DESC-combo (25-28 Virgo, so pretty close, and my DRaco DESC is at 26 Virgo). ^ He married the wrong person. maybe not. her Juno is conjunct his Karma after all, her pr Juno conjunct his Vertex, and their composite Juno conjuncts his NN on 1 Virgo. It clearly was meant to be.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Nov 8, 2018 13:59:24 GMT
Vertex-connections (and draconics) are certainly very interesting. I probably wouldn`t say that Vertex always points to soulmate stuff, but it has something to do with those "fated moments", these "turning-points" in one`s life. In lunar returns they seem to point reliably to something suddenly and surprising taking place if some planets conjuncts, opposes or squares them tightly. My progressed Vertex & SR Vtx was exactly conjunct somebody's Sun at the time they made a decision that turned my life around (in a good way). We also have Fortuna conjunct Sun DW with each other, so that progressed Vertex was on my natal Fortuna, on their Sun.
P.S. I dunno what to make of it, but my draco Vertex is exactly on my natal MC.
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Post by Ava on Nov 8, 2018 14:14:00 GMT
P.S. I dunno what to make of it, but my draco Vertex is exactly on my natal MC.
Looks like a reiteration of your draco sun conjunct NN in Capricorn? Your luck and career/public life are all tied together. Where you succeed professionally you generate luck and fated encounters in your home and emotional life. That's somewhat true so far, isn't it? I mean, you've found strong personal connections in your work life.
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Post by Ava on Nov 8, 2018 14:15:14 GMT
maybe not. her Juno is conjunct his Karma after all, her pr Juno conjunct his Vertex, and their composite Juno conjuncts his NN on 1 Virgo. It clearly was meant to be. shhh Venus will turn direct again soon, don't worry. Then we can all start making sense again.
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