I have a theory: Juno, Vesta, Pluto and Node

[FruityLlama]

I am seeing in a handful of synastries between those whose marriages have lasted until death aspects between:

Juno-Vesta
Pluto- Vesta
NorthNode-Vesta


Queen Vic and Prince Alb:

Vesta inconj. Juno
Vesta conj. Pluto

Family friends

Vesta square Pluto exact, Vesta quintile Pluto

Parents

Vesta square Pluto 
Vesta inconj. NN
Vesta trine Juno
Vesta semi-sextile Pluto

Grandparents

Vesta square Pluto
Vesta square Juno

Has anyone else noticed these patterns in your databases? Apologies for there only being four.

[FruityLlama]

Ok I thought there were more Vesta-NN's in these synastries but I'm wrong, sorry. I want to keep it there anyway though.

For the family friends, they actually have a very wide conjunction between Juno and Vesta. 21 and 29 degrees Virgo, but I know that's too wide to properly count. Thought it'd be worthwhile mentioning though. 

[lumina]

Well my Vesta trines P`s NN with just one minute of orb. lol 

I know we don`t qualify for that study, but it`s actually rather remarkable how long we`ve been sort of "around each other", considering the context of our situation. 

his Vesta also trine my Vesta with 1 degree or so, and my Uranus is sort of involved. 

my Vesta 1 Cap
my Uranus 1 Scorpio
his Vesta 2 Taurus
his NN 1 Virgo


Well because of that our composite Vesta is on 2 Pisces opposing his NN (and falling onto his Eros/Psyche-mp). my Uranus probably provides the "unusual" factor. 



as for my parents, well I do not know about until death, though I could not imagine anything ever breaking them apart, but they`ve been married for 44 years now. 

my Dad`s Vesta opposes my Mum`s Pluto with 1,5 degrees
they have a wide opposition between Vesta and Vesta from 23 Aqua to 27 Leo



my best friend has been with her husband for pretty long, too, 18 years and 14 years married, I know probably not long enough for your study, but I do not know too many people with that long marriages. lol 

her Vesta square his Pluto partile (and having some other aspects to his chart you did not mention, so leaving them out here)


on the other hand a relationship that did not stand the test of time (lasted for about 6 years though): 

his Vesta exactly on her NN



another one that did not stand the test of time as romantic relationship (was a shortlived affair) but turned out to become a very enduring friendship (at least for 13 years now)

his Vesta square her Node (2 degrees)
his Vesta opposite her Juno exact

[Ava]

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[12YearsABlob]

A married Couple I know:

His Juno conj. her Pluto

Her Juno trine his Sun

His Vesta widely conj her Sun

Her Vesta trine his NN

I dunno if these qualify, not strictly romantic relationships and life is yet to unfold. But here you go anyway:

1.

A's Juno conj. B's Saturn, quintile/biquintile nJupiter/Pluto, conj dr Pluto
B's Juno trine A's Pluto
A's draconic Juno conj B's n. Pluto

2.
A's Juno square B's nodes
B's Juno square A's Pluto
A's Vesta conj B's Dsc, opp. Moon
A's draconic Juno opp B's nPluto
B's dr Juno conj. A's dr Vesta, which is square B's nNodes

3.
DW Juno sextile Pluto
B's Juno conj A's Asc
B's Vesta conj A's Sun/Venus/Jupiter
A's draconic Vesta conj B's nSun

[FruityLlama]

Thanks lovelies for your data! I had read that Vesta was about selfless love which may or may not be platonic. It is quite important for that friendship aspect of any relationship, apparently. Interesting about the Vesta-NN connection on those relationships that didn't work out lumina but as you said there was a lingering friendship element there. Interesting but also confusing if we think about how to interpret Vesta and NN separately, don't you think?

That's true 12YearsABlob, its really quite difficult to tell whether living couples qualify as life is yet to unfold, I mean I included my parents but they're both alive. I don't know that many people who stayed together though which is a bit sad. I guess this is where astrology must adapt to modern culture.

A common connection I also see is Juno-Eros but maybe that can be another thread.

[12YearsABlob]

^Oh right, that too. But I meant that the ones I cited are not all couples per se, just loyal friends. Well, one of those might be more than friends. But the point is - since Vesta and Juno are involved, I was looking at themes of loyalty.

With some couples (like your parents), we just know - and it is safe to assume.
In general, I'd trust that generation more.
But yeah, it might also be a cultural thing. So many factors contribute to whether a couple stays together.

[FruityLlama]

12YearsABlob

Ahh right, sorry I missed that. And now I just realised you very clearly stated- sorry, I'm dense sometimes!!

But yes, themes of loyalty are probably a good place to open up the discussion actually as that can extend to different types of relationships and I'm not sure Vesta is to do with romantic love per se, but a pure selfless feeling. Therefore, needs these different connections i.e pluto for a deepening of feeling perhaps? I'm thinking Juno may be more romantic than we give credit for but I don't really know exactly.

[12YearsABlob]

Oh, no problem! And yes, you mentioned "till death do us part". Pluto has that element.

I'll add examples of married folks as & when I find 'em.

[FruityLlama]

Liz T and Rich B:

Well, they had Vesta widely trine Pluto, Juno conjunct PLuto, and Juno square NN exact. Lasted a decade, but not forever.

Ahh yes of course, death do us part= pluto! Makes sense. Thanks 12YearsABlob! 

[FruityLlama]

I wonder then, if Vesta adds an element of longevity then? That in itself doesn't necessarily mean the relationship keeps the same label forever, but like Saturn, keeps people 'together' in many different ways? Liz and Dick were involved in each others lives in more ways than one, and after their final, second divorce apparently still held a candle for each other. Celebrities aren't the best examples, I know, but there still might be something to take from them.

Liz's Juno is at 12 Cancer, whilst Rich's Vesta is at 4 Cancer. Again, too wide for an actual aspect, but I will mention it anyway like with the couple I posted yesterday. There might be something to it, there might not be. 


Mike Todd and Liz Taylor only have a Vesta square NN by 1 degree.

[FruityLlama]

Catherine the Great and Grigory Portemkin:- loved each other til the end although they stopped being lovers and began to see others as they got older. However, when Grigory died, his body was found clutching a love letter from Catherine. She mourned him til her death. They definitely loved each other til the end, but I was not sure whether to include them or not.
I will now, because I'm wondering if the parameters need changing.

Anyway:

Pluto sextile Juno
Vesta sextile Juno DW
Vesta opp. PLuto
Vesta squ. NN (4dg s)
Vesta bQ. Pluto

[12YearsABlob]

Do squares to NN indicate a difficulty in manifestation?
They *feel* the urge to stay together but life pulls them in different directions(?)

[12YearsABlob]

As for the parameters - I am not sure. I do think people who've stayed together "for real" are a good basis for this kind of study.

Not that I don't root for star-crossed lovers, but:

1. That could involve any number of aspects.

2. It might also be wishful thinking on our part. "*If* they got together, they'd make it last." But who knows? Maybe the reason for their longevity is precisely that it would implode if they actually got together(?)

A little Virgo Venus cynicism for you.

Having said that, I think what you said about 'holding a candle' for the other till the very end, might be a Vesta thing. It is, after all, about tending to and keeping alive the 'sacred flame'. Some connections are sacred like that.

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In a relationship that lasted about 6 years there are no significant Vesta aspects on either side, however Juno makes all sorts of exact connections for both.

My Juno square his Pluto and Pallas precisely,
My Juno conjunct his Saturn

His Juno square my Mars
His Juno trine my MC

So, Juno aspects alone doth not a marriage make.

[FruityLlama]

12YearsABlob

I was wondering the same about the squares to the NN! It would make sense if squares are about a tension or struggle.

Oh yes, the Vesta sisters and the sacred flame? Oh well I think we've nailed it there then haha!

@astrokeen

Interesting Juno aspects! I am seeing Juno-Pluto often too but perhaps it needs an injection of Vesta, I am not sure. Do you still hold a candle so to speak for your ex?

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FruityLlama, there was a sense of loss, so, I think yes.