Solstice points in synastry

[Ava]

A nice introduction to the topic:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiscia

Another article:
cafeastrology.com/solstice_points_antiscia.html

Basically:

Antiscia = Points that are equidistant from 0° Cancer and 0° Cap (summer and winter solstice)
Contrascia = Points that are equidistant from 0° Aries and 0° Libra (vernal and autumnal equinoxes); these oppose the antiscia

To obtain a list of these without having to calculate:

- At astro.com, select Munich Rhythm Method for the Chart Drawing Style
- Click PDF Additional Tables at the top left of the chart
- Scroll down to "Antiscia"....the first column is contrascia, second column antiscia

[FruityLlama]

I see connections mainly between my natal Venus, Saturn and ASC with these.


My natal venus is at 8 degrees Aries
(My mother's Saturn is the same, exactly conjunct)
My antiscion Saturn is 8 deg. Aries too!
Ant. Venus 21 Pisces
Ant ASC 8 Sag
Natal 21 Cancer

But then Antiscion Venus exactly trines natal ASC and conjuncts natal Saturn-MC conjunction, whilst Antiscion ASC exactly trines natal Venus and Ant.Saturn! And conjuncts n.Vertex. I don't know what this means though.

Ant. Mercury opposes my bf's Sun too.

Everything else is in Aquarius basically, so should I probably watch my back around Jan-Feb time?

[12YearsABlob]

Omg. Mind = blown. My antiscia/contrascia for Moon-Asc is 6°-7° Scorpio/Taurus.

Yep, those are close to some frequently occuring degrees.

For my Sun it's 5°30' Pisces/Virgo, which also makes sense.

Do we count natal aspects to antiscia/contrascia as well?

Can you compare somebody's antiscia/contracia to somebody else's natal planets?

[lumina]

Yes, only conjunctions/oppositions though within maybe 1 degree appr.. AFter all they are mirror POINTS.

ambientastrology.com/antiscia/

[lumina]

There are some transits to my chart today via antiscia

Tr Mercury on the antiscion of my Sun/Moon-mp
Tr Saturn on the antiscion of my Mercury (and Sun very widely, 1°27)
Tr Pluto on the antiscion of my Neptune and NN

[Ava]

Nov 7, 2018 20:05:24 GMT lumina said:

Yes, only conjunctions/oppositions though within maybe 1 degree appr.. AFter all they are mirror POINTS.

ambientastrology.com/antiscia/

Thank you!

Quoting that article:

While antiscia has been known about and used since ancient time, it has been fairly neglected for the last few centuries. Ancient astrologers referred to the points as having 'sympathy.' Certainly these symmetries connect two seemingly unconnected or un-aspected points. But really, antiscia are quite basic. Because they are based on something so real, the sun's movement and actual sunlight and days, their value has likely been underestimated.

Antiscia connections sometimes show up strongly in synastry (across charts). And I find transits (and directions) by antiscia also potent. When people have these connections in their own chart, the two or more planets combined are usually quite obvious in some way. This is because they are tied strongly to the cardinal axis.

That's interesting...it's automatically a cardinal type of connection. So it stands out?

[Ava]

Nov 7, 2018 17:26:53 GMT FruityLlama said:

My natal venus is at 8 degrees Aries
...
My antiscion Saturn is 8 deg. Aries too!

There's a mini reading in the article lumina posted, about Venus-Saturn connected through solstice points in the natal. If you care to check that out, I'm wondering if it rings true for you?

[Ava]

Nov 7, 2018 19:56:57 GMT 12YearsABlob said:

Do we count natal aspects to antiscia/contrascia as well?

Can you compare somebody's antiscia/contracia to somebody else's natal planets?

Yes, I think that's significant? Have to learn more.

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[FruityLlama]

Ava

Hi Faith, I had a look at that link lumina kindly posted. I think it does resonate, in fact it mirrors my 10H Venus placement which I always thought was the key to my missing Venus-Saturn aspect in the natal! I mean like, I always felt my Aries Venus was honed by something and assumed it was the 10H placement. It could also be this antiscia of course. I do have perfect ideals of beauty and how things should look in my mind though. Aspiring to bring it into reality can be difficult. My mother helps, she hones the Venus-Saturn energy quite well. I do believe its all about structuring beauty and honing it.

A friend of mine has the opposition natally (Aries Venus- Libra Saturn) and believes wholeheartedly in objective standards of beauty and that society should adhere to them when it comes to architecture, art and fashion as do I think this a lot of the time.

[Ava]

Thanks for answering FruityLlama

Come to think of it, I have some objective beauty standards, too (Venus trine Saturn, Venus conjunct draco Saturn, Venus contraparallel to Saturn). Not a great fan of any creation that looks just plain ugly.

I was telling my son yesterday that I never had interest in The Walking Dead because the aesthetics of it put me off.

I get upset looking at houses for sale because the structures can be so ugly, street view (like, asymmetric window patterns that make the house look unfinished or overly private, because where you expect a window, there's just a wall...this is probably more of a problem in the US...I'd imagine building codes are stricter in Europe.) Also I could almost cry seeing some of the furniture and decorating choices these people make (Libra Pluto and Pisces moon connected through antiscia).

[FruityLlama]

Ava
Oh my gosh, me too! It made me feel ill as well did that show. It made me stick to a vegetarian diet for several months in my school years haha!

Yeah, I totally get you. I prefer my aesthetics regarding architecture and housing to be more traditional. I really dislike modernist stuff that's neither pretty. useful or even just amazing or thought provoking. Some modern art tries to do that of course, but it doesn't work for me. Cardboard boxes stuck on a wall or unplugged tv's in a corner of an art gallery is not nearly as thought provoking or heart wrenching as the 19th century portrait of tortured soldiers fighting in wherever..you know? I had this experience in an art gallery once and could not believe two such things were both considered "art"!

I know I sound like a miserable git, but I think it demonstrates the Venus-Saturn connection well.

[Ava]

lumina

Science question

Solstice points and declinations are related somehow, right?

The sun's @ 23.5 N on the summer solstice, 23.5 S on the winter solstice.

If person A and person B each have their suns equidistant from a solstice, their suns' declinations will probably match?

[lumina]

Yes, works only With planets in the ecliptic though, so Sun and the calculated Points.

[Ava]

I love Emily Blunt and John Krasinski as a couple.

His sun on her sun's solstice point, and vice versa (both suns 63-64° from 0° Cap).

^ I don't know the proper phrasing.

www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Emily_Blunt
www.astrotheme.com/astrology/John_Krasinski

[Ava]

Thinking of possible themes that connect antiscia sign pairs? And maybe when these signs are unified, they create a certain type of synergy....just some raw ideas here:

Gemini + Cancer => both ruled by quick planets, Mercury and the moon respectively. So this combination might be about first impressions, being able to read people or respond instinctually.

Taurus + Leo => loving the finer things. Leo light (sun) shines beautifully and makes things more beautiful for Taurus appreciation.

Aries + Virgo => the innocents, purity

On the other end of the axis....

Sag + Cap => grandeur

Scorpio + Aqua => the investigators. Scorpio sees into things in order to advance; Aqua is already advanced but still appreciates what Scorpio thoroughness brings to the table. Scorpio is more emotionally driven so it uncovers emotional data that Aqua could overlook.

Libra + Pisces => peace and harmony

[Ava]

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[lumina]

Ava ,

very interesting. and yes all solstice points have their balance point at an Aries point (any of the four cardinal points actually)


Moon/Pluto sounds very intense.

Astute observation with the midpoints, too, of course that is true, solstice points have their midpoints at the 00 cardinal degrees.

Now the question is: are solstice points important because their midpoint is on these important degrees? Or are these midpoints important because of the solstice points?

in my own chart I have a solstice point between Mercury and Venus, in particular (1°09), not terribly tight, but tight enough.
The Mercury/Venus-mp is at 00°35 Cap.

The other midpoints near the AP are

Sun/Venus 1°02 Cap (they are of course also roughly on each others solstice point, with a bit of orb)

conjunct Vesta on 1°22 Cap



and my Draco chart has

Jupiter/Ceres 0°15 Cancer (Jupiter on 1 Cancer, Ceres on 29 Gemini)

Saturn/Uranus 29°00 Sag,

[lumina]

btw the midpoints of Sun/Mars in your and your ex charts partile opposite each other is a big thing synastry/composite-wise, at least according to David Cochrane.

[lumina]

Ava ,

curiously I just see that in the Draco chart

my Jupiter/Ceres 0°15 Cancer
P`s Juno/Ceres 0°58 Cap

[Ava]

Thanks lumina ,

"my Jupiter/Ceres 0°15 Cancer
P`s Juno/Ceres 0°58 Cap"

Nice

So you count mixed midpoints? Your Mercury/Venus mp, rather soothing to my sensitive moon/Pluto mp?

"Now the question is: are solstice points important because their midpoint is on these important degrees? Or are these midpoints important because of the solstice points?"

Hmm...like "solstice points" is just a fancy/dramatic way of saying "AP midpoints" ?

"btw the midpoints of Sun/Mars in your and your ex charts partile opposite each other is a big thing synastry/composite-wise, at least according to David Cochrane."

Yeah...maybe more emphasized for us since it's on the Aries Points, and constructed of

Sun trine sun
Mars trine Mars
Sun square Mars DW

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