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Post by lumina on Sept 29, 2018 12:51:57 GMT
Ava LOL No, you never bore me! And I like your acceptance speech. I resonate with that song for Lilith, but I am aware that most will see it as negative, while I see the imagery just as... intriguing, captivating, compelling, and cutting through false pretenses (for example if that love or power or whatever WAS true and authentic, NO temptation in the world could take hold; aww, us humans just love to cling to our notions of reality soo much... and then it is such a shock to realize, it is not even true - not totally at least. Oh the shock! lol) And then of course Esmeralda is such a Lilith character (in an innocent way, but having all these things projected onto her; Carmen was more of a conscious Lilith-woman) Moon/Juno vs. Venus/Lilith. and what an asshole, this character. LOL BTW his name Phoebus means "Sun", how hilarious! And this one, just because I love Garou. LOL And one male Lilith character - but the really dark version, Mr Hyde there is even Lilith-symbols in the lyrics. LOL
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Post by lumina on Sept 29, 2018 12:57:22 GMT
thinking....
that is the thing about following instincts.... they aren`t inherently good nor bad.... nor even having a grasp of the meaning of moral/ ethics.... they are outside of these categories.... and this way Lilith can be like the darkest really nastiest bitch from hell..... or just being the empowered feminine.... even more than with other objects the choice is ours, how we express this powerful energy. There IS a reason why we have social rules, after all. And then there also needs to be a free space of them in our psyche. I believe we need to honour both.
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Post by lumina on Sept 29, 2018 13:06:23 GMT
the second song was actually
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Post by lumina on Sept 29, 2018 13:16:29 GMT
well totally beside the point.... but I looked up Garou`s horoscope for the first time (I actually just know this musical with him and this performance, but something about him is endearing to me, not making any sense).
Well he has a fullmoon in his chart. ROFL Of course he has. I always feel a pull to men with New Moon or full Moon I guess.
in this instance Sun is in Cancer and Moon in Capricorn, with his Moon (his birthtime is known) in partile conjunction to my Venus and his Sun exactly opposing my Venus (his fullmoon is exact).
Well he has got Jupiter conjunct his Moon additionally so also conjunct my Venus. and his Venus opposes my Sun as well.
So I guess astrology proved its value once more, even in such a random thing like this. lol
oh okay, and just because it is SOOOO funny (no clue why he was coming into my mind just now) but his ASC is on 10 Scorpio conjunct True Lilith on 11 Scorpio.
BTW he is the one singing first, in the song "Belle"
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Post by Ava on Sept 29, 2018 14:26:29 GMT
lumina You understand French? That "Alive" song freaks me out. So much for my tough-as-nails Lilith. LOL edit
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Post by Violets on Sept 29, 2018 15:30:52 GMT
My "mean" BML is at 2 Pisces, making a trine to my Uranus, and hanging out with Pallas at 1 Pisces. "True" BML in my chart is widely connected to the grand cross between my luminaries and Nodes. Depending on the orb preference, true BML is conjunct my Sun by 2 degrees in 8th, opposite my Moon by 1 degree, and square my Nodes by 1 degree.
I believe this is probably felt in my life, although it could be attributed to other aspects/placements. Definitely a theme in my life to dismiss society's expectations of women, which is somewhat at odds with my 4th house NN. It takes a considerable effort for me to get past the idea that domestic chores are a type of enslavement, and I had zero desire to get married before I met my husband (well into my thirties).
I've talked about all of this in different threads/forums, but it does come down to figuring out how to honor all of those energies equally for me.
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Post by lumina on Sept 29, 2018 16:13:58 GMT
Sorry to Put IT that bluntly But mean Lilith IS bogus.
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Post by anela on Sept 29, 2018 17:21:42 GMT
My "mean" BML is at 2 Pisces, making a trine to my Uranus, and hanging out with Pallas at 1 Pisces. "True" BML in my chart is widely connected to the grand cross between my luminaries and Nodes. Depending on the orb preference, BML is conjunct my Sun by 2 degrees in 8th, opposite my Moon by 1 degree, and square my Nodes by 1 degree. I believe this is probably felt in my life, although it could be attributed to other aspects/placements. Definitely a theme in my life to dismiss society's expectations of women, which is somewhat at odds with my 4th house NN. It takes a considerable effort for me to get past the idea that domestic chores are a type of enslavement, and I had zero desire to get married before I met my husband (well into my thirties). I've talked about all of this in different threads/forums, but it does come down to figuring out how to honor all of those energies equally for me. Mine is close to yours, since we were born within two months of each other. mine is conjunct my Mars in the 4th (hello standing up for myself at home! and my family, and it apparently never freaking ends). Square my Moon/Venus/Nodes, trine Uranus/ascendant. I'm not even close to being a domestic goddess. My dad is better at that, than I've ever been. I do love having cupboards full of things, and have always wanted jars full of herbs, like something you linked to recently. I used to love the idea of studying things like that, and having my own little shop, like the women in Practical Magic. My brain is too scrambled now. I remember this one guy who annoyed me, along with his mother, trying to get me to meet him/go out with him. I kept saying that I didn't want to, and they kept trying to ambush me. It freaked me out a bit at the time, and with everything else in the news now, I wonder what else he would have felt entitled to, had I caved and met him, to please them. I couldn't believe it when my own mother said, "Oh, he'll be so disappointed" when I refused to attend a party. SO? Damn it, I'm getting annoyed just thinking about it. His mother tried to say that I'd promised to be there, and I told her that never happened, that she was lying. When mum said he'd be disappointed, I stated that would be his mother's fault, for lying to him in the first place. I do not like feeling like I don't have a choice in something, and definitely will not be pushed. When someone thinks they've got one over on me, I double down.
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Post by anela on Sept 29, 2018 17:31:51 GMT
Well, I never did want to be a victim, kept trying to pull out of any mindset, and managed to succeed to a point for years. Stupid anxiety has always been there (social, extreme). Agoraphobic for years.
It never ends, though, as I mentioned above. Like I thought I had my sister back, and then nope. There were signs anyway, but I was the one punished, as usual. I'm just done. At least when it comes to national matters, women everywhere are no longer accepting it, whether it's from men, or the women who stand up for those men, no matter what.
Women may not be victims every day, but we always seem to be at the mercy of men in some way (and other women, who want things to go a certain way). It's exhausting. I wondered what happens if this guy is confirmed, and others have asked what we do if he is. Someone pointed out that in Denmark, in 1975 (year of my birth), the women all over the country, went on strike. It only needed to last twenty-four hours, and they made their point.
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Post by anela on Sept 29, 2018 17:33:17 GMT
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Post by anela on Sept 29, 2018 17:40:32 GMT
Also, it sometimes gets to me when people talk about victim mentality. An important part of healing, is being able to state that you were a victim in the first place. That's why so many women are speaking now. They've held these things inside for years and years, and now they're all speaking out, because it never got better, and the dangerous ones are still in jobs that can control our futures.
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Post by anela on Sept 29, 2018 17:50:50 GMT
So yeah, women are victims in a lot of ways. Until boys and men are really punished for what they do.
A friend of mine posted that she'd been gang-raped in school, just before her 14th birthday. Six boys, four more looked on, and did nothing, as she tried to push the others off her.
Another friend had a call from her terrified daughter, just the other day. A man had followed her, then approached her, and had a gun at his waist. She ran in the other direction, made it back to school, screamed for the security guard, at which time this other guy fled. Another girl reported the same thing happening to her.
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Post by anela on Sept 29, 2018 17:53:59 GMT
anela , It's a sad reality that women throw each other under the bus just as much as any other people. Especially when it comes to "their man". They feel like it's an "either-or". Like the only way to honour their partner is to throw muck on somebody else. Whereas the partner may be equally, or more guilty than the said woman. People who don't have a healthy self-esteem regulate it by putting others down, typically people of their own gender - that they unconsciously see as "competition". When it comes to a partner or significant other, it's much less painful to shift the blame onto somebody else entirely than deal with the fact that the person you chose could betray you so badly. It takes a certain amount of courage to face up to that. What I'm saying is, even though it was very personal, try not to take her reaction personally. Because it's more about her as a person than you. She has her own way of dealing with things, and you were the one that bore the brunt of it. When it comes to feelings, people protect their own, sometimes at a terrible cost. She hurt you, trying to protect her self, her image of herself and her husband. But people's perceptions don't change the facts of what happened to you, or anybody else. You've got a right to your story, regardless of what your sister says. Deep down, you still care about her opinion that's why it's hard for you to let it go. You wish she'd understand and making peace with the fact that she may never understand is daunting. I also want those years back, when I was trying to get a life of my own, and avoid what happened. I was the healthy one. And I can never get them back. They ruined my life. And my family. I can't get my mother back either. She became an alcoholic, didn't go to the doctor, and died of that stupid aneurysm, when she also had other heart problems building before that. I'm tired, and have no hope left. I need to get in the shower. I missed going to the pound again today, because my dad was getting something seen to on the van.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 29, 2018 17:56:09 GMT
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Post by lumina on Sept 29, 2018 18:03:28 GMT
Ava just a very tiny little bit. But I also know the English version. Yes, when I first got the cd, (many years ago, I think I might have been in my early 20`s even. lol), I used to have the habit to listen to music in the dark. I couldnt do that with this song most of the time, it felt so scary and intense. I still love the song though, I guess I just love scary and intense, to a certain degree. lol
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Post by Violets on Sept 29, 2018 19:04:24 GMT
Sorry to Put IT that bluntly But mean Lilith IS bogus. I've never paid much mind to it, I tend to agree with you.
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Post by lumina on Sept 29, 2018 19:16:52 GMT
Well Lilith, the apogee and actually also the perigee of the moon, I find them VERY valid. It is just that as an apogee Lilith is defined as being exactly conjunct Moon and at perigee Lilith is exactly opposite Moon - that is the definition of these two points. However mean Lilith is NOT conjunct the Moon, when the Moon is at apogee, and not opposite it, when it is in perigee. So she does not match the definition even in those clearly defined situation. True Lilith (and btw interpolated/ natural Lilith as well), are then exactly conjunct/ opposite Moon, so if the decision is between mean and true Lilith, there actually cannot be any arguing about that (unless we argue from an esoteric point of view and aren`t really given that much credit to the correct calculations and definitions - which, frankly, noone needs to bring up with me, my Aqua-Lilith doesn`t stand for that. ), how could I take serious a point that does not even meet its own definition? It is like saying, we define 1+ 1 equalling 2. But then we say, okay, that is the definition, but we leave more of a leeway and also accept 1+ 1 equalling 3 or 1. I mean it is close, right? And before someone comes about we have to be more intuitive in astrology - yes that is true, once we get to interprete things. But not in the calculation itself. We do calculate the exact positions of Mars and Venus and whatever, and are not saying, oh well, Venus might be at 7 Taurus, but I just feel it being more apt to be on 15 Taurus, so I will work with that instead. Sorry, I get cranky with this stuff. lol Not saying anyone here ever said that, but I´ve heard that too often from so called astrologers, and it well makes me a little cranky. lol
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Post by Violets on Sept 29, 2018 20:15:54 GMT
Ahaha lumina, it makes my Virgo Moon cranky as well, ha! I do also give credit to true BML, but yes to all of what you said ^^.
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Post by Violets on Sept 29, 2018 20:37:43 GMT
lumina you were the one who pointed out to me that I was born on/near a "supermoon" by looking at my true BML and Priapus. Thanks for that, it gives my Leo Asc a little something to feel "specialized", hehe.
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Post by lumina on Sept 29, 2018 21:06:28 GMT
Yes, it`s interesting about those Supermoons. For those who do not know about them, it`s when Priapus is conjunct the Moon (or true Lilith opposes it). You can even SEE it outside, as the fullmoon will look SO much bigger than usually, and things just get even more crazy and insane. The emotions are running so high and irrational and intense - which gives us a feeling how Priapus really works (or Lilith-oppositions, which is the same).
Oh great the next one is happening on 21st january 2019, and it will coincide with P`s and my pr composite Fullmoon happening.
So on 21st january 2019
6:16 a.m.: Exact Fullmoon with Sun on 00°52 Aquarius and Moon on 00°52 Cancer (NN on 26°47 Cancer - so this must be an ecclipse actually!)
9:00 p.m.: Exact perigee with Lilith on 10°11 Aquarius opposite Moon on 10°11 Leo
And in our progressed composite:
Sun: 8°48 Aquarius Moon: 8°38 Leo
(it will be exact about 4-5 days later)
it just seems crazy that our progressed composite fullmoon will be accompanied by an actual transiting Fullmoon, and this will even overlay our composite like it does. The fullmoon will be conjunct our composite ASC on 1 Aquarius, and the Perigee/ the Supermoon a few hours later actually will be conjunct our pr composite fullmoon by mere 2 degrees!
That is a little creepy to be honest.
His pr Mercury will be on 11°03 Aquarius that time my pr Sun will be on 10°50 Aquarius (and my pr Lilith on 12°11 Aquarius)
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