Draconic sun research thread

[Ava]

How do we pinpoint this energy....what are your impressions of each draconic sun sign, if you have them?

I dream of spending a few hours listing celebrities according to their draconic sun, to see what patterns come up.

No time for that yet.

But we just had a full moon on the Aries Point, which the draconic chart is geared around, soooo.....I thought, this is timely.

If anyone has any insights, please share.

[Ava]

Draconic sun list

Will be adding names gradually

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ARIES:

Meghan Markle, Colin Firth, Stephenie Meyer, Bethany Hamilton, Margaret Wise Brown, Pope Francis, Amber Heard, Sasha Grey, Hugh Grant, Tim McGraw, Donald Trump, Ram Dass, Stephen Curry, Tori Kelly, Oprah Winfrey, Mariah Carey, Priyanka Chopra, Dane Rudhyar, Edward Snowden, Megan Fox, Pink, Roger Waters, Whitney Houston, Kate Moss, Grimes, Simon Cowell, John Lennon, Macaulay Culkin, Humphrey Bogart

Sun exactly conjunct true NN: Tim Robbins, Denzel Washington, Napolean Hill, Debby Harry, Janet Jackson

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TAURUS:

Lana Del Rey, Adele, Beyonce, Tori Amos, Albert Einstein, Sandra Bullock, Hailey Baldwin Bieber, JK Rowling, Bill Maher, Henry David Thoreau, John Cusack

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GEMINI:

Jackie Chan, Bruce Willis, Stanislav Grof, Cary Elwes, Jennifer Garner, Mahatma Gandhi, Lionel Messi, Kim Kardashian, Serena Williams, Nikola Tesla, Steve Jobs, John Harrison, Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam, Anthony Fauci, Joe Biden, Orlando Bloom

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CANCER:

Prince Harry, Chelsea Handler, Pharrell Williams, Mother Teresa, Paulo Coelho, Ryan Gosling, Justin Bieber, Ansel Adams, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Daisy Ridley

Sun exactly square nodes: Ellen Degeneres, Amy Winehouse

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LEO:

John F. Kennedy, Marianne Williamson, Julian Assange, Elon Musk, Amal Clooney, Chogyam Trungpa, Deborah Birx, Deepak Chopra, Reese Witherspoon

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VIRGO:

Kate Middleton, Katy Perry, Brad Pitt, Dalai Lama XIV, Will Smith, Alanis Morrisette, Eva Peron, Alec Baldwin, Daniel Radcliffe, Billie Eilish (29°48)...Noel Miller (birth time unknown) also right on the Virgo-Libra Cusp, Adam Driver, Chris Brennan (astrologer)

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LIBRA:

Jeff Bezos, Gwen Stefani, Steven Spielberg, Noam Chomsky, Ben Affleck, Zac Efron, Anna Wintour, Ariana Grande, Russell Brand, Pema Chodron, Camila McConaughey, Justin Timberlake, Kate McKinnon (? Libra-Scorpio Cusp, time unknown), Joseph Campbell, Rachel Hollis, Ingrid Bergman, Mark Hamil

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SCORPIO:

Eckhart Tolle, Martin Luther King Jr, Bono, Salvador Dali, Kanye West, F Scott Fitzgerald, Elizabeth Smart, Sergey Brin, Jessica Biel, Kristen Wiig, Greta Thunberg, Christopher Reeve 

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SAGITTARIUS:

Nick Jonas, Ringo Starr, George Clooney, Paramahansa Yogananda, Lupita Nyong'o, Lewis Howes, Jay-Z, Gwyneth Paltrow, Pewdiepie

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CAPRICORN:

Jessica Alba, Conan O'Brien, Ryan Phillippe, George Lucas, Paul McCartney, Jimmy Fallon, Aamir Khan, David Gahan, Kelly Clarkson, Madonna (29°), Fred Rogers

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AQUARIUS:

Bill Gates, Alan Watts, Taylor Swift, Natalie Portman, Harrison Ford, Kylie Jenner, Pablo Picasso, Marilyn Monroe, Maya Angelou, Martha Stewart, Shailene Woodley, Michael Jackson, Kylie Jenner, Stephen Colbert, Cody Ko (? Cap-Aqua Cusp, no birth time), Leona Lewis, Miranda Kerr, Molly Ringwald 

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PISCES:

Elvis Presley, Prince William, Ryan Reynolds, Christopher Hitchens, HG Wells, Jason Alexander, Stephen Baldwin, Dan Brown, Annie Lennox, Cher, Lady Gaga, Brooke Shields, JP Morgan, Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, Howard Stern, Stedman Graham, Rick Levine, Barack Obama, Elizabeth Taylor, Tom Hardy, Tom Cruise, Rihanna, Leo Tolstoy, Gisele Bundchen, Miley Cyrus, Liam Hemsworth, Kobe Bryant, James Corden 

Sun exactly conjunct true NN: Bo Derek 

[FruityLlama]

*Italics are those who may or may not be known to others here on the board given that they're more national stars from different countries. Adding videos because I cba uploading photos haha

ARIES
Cheryl Cole, Meg White, Paul Simon

TAURUS
Bradley Cooper, Mike Todd, Renee Zellweger, Reb Beach (Winger, Dokken and Whitesnake), Queen Victoria of England

CANCER
Richard Burton

LEO
Fabrizio Moro (okay, he is an Aries sun, Pisces moon natally but I said I'd eat my hat if he wasn't Leo ASC or something before. Now I realise he is Dr. Leo sun haha. Very Leonine in appearance). 

Karen Elson, Prince Albert- Prince Consort of England, 

VIRGO


LIBRA
(me), Adam Lambert, Helena Paparizou, Josh Groban

SCORPIO
Jack White, 

SAGITTARIUS
Ermal Meta, 

CAPRICORN
Eminem, Sergey Lazarev, King Edward 7th of England, 

AQUARIUS
Johnny Depp

PISCES
Elizabeth Taylor, Eleni Foureira, Sakis Rouvas, 



Videos
-Meta/Moro
Interview with Moro e Meta below in case you wanted to briefly get a feel for them. Fabrizio is the one with less curly hair. These two are really funny together and performed together at this years Eurovision. Both are very sweet though, polite and deep in the lyrics they write. Ermal is very poetic, Fabrizio more passionate. 



-Foureira (natal Pisces anyway)




-Reb Beach



I like how he describes the instruments and sounds- very Taurus (he is a Virgo natally, but as listed above, a Dr. Taurus sun).

Okay I am undecided as to whether its worth adding more weird celebs since I know they wont be too well known here. I've left some there anyway but I wont add a list of vids. Paparizou I think I've posted before anyway, but yeah I'll leave it there for now. Hope this helps! Now I need to mull over their traits haha

[FruityLlama]

All I can really say is that what I used to assume was their natal ASC came up as their Dr. Sun. As I said with Fabrizio, I always assumed Jack White is a Scorpio ASC natally and there he is as a Dr. Scorpio.

Adam Lambert is a Libra ASC anyway and H.Paps has a stellium in it so that wasn't too gobsmacking.

[Ava]

Thanks FruityLlama!

I'm aware that my choices are heavily American...it's the bias of astro-charts.com, the site I'm using for charts, but also, if I have no idea who the people are, I don't even know what to think when I add them to these lists.

The videos aren't displaying at the moment, maybe they'll come up later?

[12YearsABlob]

Ugh, I had a whole thing typed out and the page quit on me. Trying to retrace my thoughts...

I think the draco signature is noticeable when you talk to somebody one on one - sorta like the Asc, like FruityLlama said. However, it's hard to tell what part of that is coming from natal aspects. So, one way I notice draco energy is when they're in unguarded mode, and talking about their true hopes and dreams, regrets, or simply talking about things they love, what truly inspires them. This is often different from the regular persona they present.

For instance, a Pisces man was telling me about some lost opportunities for higher education, a different career path - that were made impossible by his immensely demanding job at the time. How he barely got time to spend with his kids, etc. He's also a draco Cap sun, Taurus moon like me. So, we have this mirroring of needs and "hopes".

Virgo man who's extremely nurturing and loves cooking for his kids, very involved with his kids, very sensitive etc... draco Cancer sun, Taurus moon. He might be a Cancer moon natally (birth time unknown).

Gemini Sun who took me along to print out notes and spiral-bound them himself, while chuckling at my ineptude, a-la Virgo - draco Virgo Sun. And he doesn't have a smidgeon of Virgo in his chart (maybe I have to look closer, or maybe there's some Virgo on the angles, no birth time).

I wonder about the tie-in to natals. How much of the draco energy is "downloaded"? Or is it uploaded? Which one leads to which? Are some draconic charts more strongly tied to natals because that manifestation is important to some nodal paths?

Quoting myself from the other thread:

"All my planets squared by Saturn in natal, are in Capricorn in draco.

My friend has Sun conjunct Venus natally, and her Draco sun-venus is in Libra.
A guy with Sun conjunct Jupiter, has draco Sun in Sag.
However, someone I know with Sun square Jupiter has draco Sun in Cancer - his natal sun might be tightly sextile Cancer moon, depending on ToB. It has other aspects too, which are equally close. "

[Ava]

Some impressions so far, based on the people I know....

Aries draconic suns:
Tend to be independent, unmarried/divorced or not in a relationship, *or* there is something really exciting/distinctive and unexpected about their relationship(s). High standards..."I'll be fully myself, you be fully yourself."

Taurus draconic suns:
This is me, but I don't know.

Leo draconic suns:
Edit...would give this more thought...a kind of natural radiance

Virgo draconic suns:
Can be strongly opinionated about odd things you weren't expecting them to care about, or attached to certain odd habits. Really into technology, good with coding and troubleshooting. Love of animals.

Sag draconic suns:
Not sure. My husband has this though. I'll have to research and come back to it.

Cap draconic suns:
I feel their Saturn energy almost palpably. Usually it's a steady, earthy, "just being careful" type of vigilance. Also that Cap interest in wisdom and well-developed philosophy. Badass and very Saturnine when you cross them.

Aqua draconic suns:
So far I think they seem like regular Aquas when it comes to being a "lone wolf" with tons of friends.

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Please don't quote, I'll keep editing

[Ava]

K, I thought of something for my Taurus draco sun...

Just about every person I've met whose tropical sun is conjunct my draco sun...they are all artists, chefs, creative types.

athena , do you think people consider you creative/artistic?

Whenever I talk to anyone from my past, they're asking what kind of art I'm making now.

[12YearsABlob]

Weird thread of commonality in draco Aqua suns (I don't see this in natal Aqua suns necessarily) - desire for non-traditional/non-monogamous relationships.. Mind you, this is irrespective of Venus.. But this is only the handful of draco Aqua suns *I* know - maybe it's just a coincidence.
Another thing they have in common, an ease in making friends. Wherever they go, they have a new group of friends. Not just acquaintances, travel buddies and the like.. They have a knack for maintaining easy-going friendships. People flock to them because they can just chill and be in the moment, no heavy emotional demands (as friends at least).

Feedback by lumina, "Hmm, I can`t confirm that. Both, my best friend as well as P`s wife have a Draco Aqua Sun, and I am pretty sure they are both totally into a traditional marriage-mindset. Well I absolutely know that about my friend."

[12YearsABlob]

Sept 25, 2018 23:13:56 GMT Ava said:

Snarky! Yeah I think draco Virgo...unbridled Virgo...can be sort of outright critical, because to them it's not their self-concept, not really their personality, it just happens to bubble to the surface, modified and smoothed out by other chart elements.  

Ha, Virgo snark. Yeah, that's cool though. I happen to think it's real cute.

[12YearsABlob]

Sept 25, 2018 23:09:54 GMT Ava said:

K, I thought of something for my Taurus draco sun...

Just about every person I've met whose tropical sun is conjunct my draco sun...they are all artists, chefs, creative types.

athena , do you think people consider you creative/artistic?

Whenever I talk to anyone from my past, they're asking what kind of art I'm making now. And it seems to only take a little bit of artwork on anything to prompt people to nag me to make a living from art. It's to the point where I think, "Hey maybe I will actually do that sometime." It's like a destiny assignment that won't leave me alone, even though I'm not really that good. People are like, "DO something with that." They want to see my creative output.

That would be cool..! And it is conjunct your SN too - it *is* a gift. No wonder people can see it so clearly.

[12YearsABlob]

P.S. Another Capricorn whose art is coming out late in life: Jim Carrey (https://news.artnet.com/art-world/art-industry-news-september-24-2018-1354678)

[12YearsABlob]

More celebrities (draco Suns):

Aries: Seth Meyers, Charlie Brooker, Gillian Flynn
Taurus: Stanley Kubrick, Kathy Bates, Park Chan-wook
Gemini: Martin Scorsese
Cancer: Ryan Gosling, Agatha Christie
Leo: Spike Lee, Stephen King
Virgo: Jim Carrey, Gaspar Noé, Daniel Day-Lewis (one of the most meticulous method actors ever, and quite a recluse, "the Hermit" in tarot speak)
Libra: Enid Blyton, Heath Ledger, Vincent Cassel, Steven Spielberg
Scorpio: David Bowie, Dakota Johnson, David Lynch, Alfred Hitchcock
Sag: Quentin Tarantino
Aqua: Kate Winslet, Natalie Portman, Akira Kurosawa
Pisces: Pete Davidson, Leonardio diCaprio

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Sept 25, 2018 23:09:54 GMT Ava said:

K, I thought of something for my Taurus draco sun...

Just about every person I've met whose tropical sun is conjunct my draco sun...they are all artists, chefs, creative types.

athena , do you think people consider you creative/artistic?

Whenever I talk to anyone from my past, they're asking what kind of art I'm making now. And it seems to only take a little bit of artwork on anything to prompt people to nag me to make a living from art. It's to the point where I think, "Hey maybe I will actually do that sometime." It's like a destiny assignment that won't leave me alone, even though I'm not really that good. People are like, "DO something with that." They want to see my creative output.

Weirdly enough, they do! I don't consider myself creative/artistic at all. But in high school I was very much an "art kid", always taking drawing/painting classes as my electives. I've long since stopped making art but just like you, whenever people from my past reach out to me they ask, "so what have you made lately?!" 

I am into photography but I would hardly call myself "good" at it lol  

[lumina]

Sept 25, 2018 22:56:51 GMT Ava said:

Aries draconic suns:
Tend to be independent, unmarried/divorced or not in a relationship, *or* there is something really exciting/distinctive and unexpected about their relationship(s). High standards..."I'll be fully myself, you be fully yourself."




Well, definitely true for me I guess. 

[12YearsABlob]

Sept 25, 2018 23:14:17 GMT 12YearsABlob said:

M

Weird thread of commonality in draco Aqua suns (I don't see this in natal Aqua suns necessarily) - desire for non-traditional/non-monogamous relationships.. Mind you, this is irrespective of Venus.. But this is only the handful of draco Aqua suns *I* know - maybe it's just a coincidence.

Hmm, I can`t confirm that. Both, my best friend as well as P`s wife have a Draco Aqua Sun, and I am pretty sure they are both totally into a traditional marriage-mindset. Well I absolutely know that about my friend. 

Did you edit instead of quote, lumina? I believe that last part is yours, and I had a couple other things written before this part in my post..

[lumina]

Sept 26, 2018 12:53:30 GMT 12YearsABlob said:

Sept 25, 2018 23:14:17 GMT 12YearsABlob said:

M

Weird thread of commonality in draco Aqua suns (I don't see this in natal Aqua suns necessarily) - desire for non-traditional/non-monogamous relationships.. Mind you, this is irrespective of Venus.. But this is only the handful of draco Aqua suns *I* know - maybe it's just a coincidence.

Hmm, I can`t confirm that. Both, my best friend as well as P`s wife have a Draco Aqua Sun, and I am pretty sure they are both totally into a traditional marriage-mindset. Well I absolutely know that about my friend. 

Did you edit instead of quote, lumina ? I believe that last part is yours, and I had a couple other things written before this part in my post..

ups sorry, I guess I was editing you by accident. That wasn`t my intention. Very sorry about that. 

[12YearsABlob]

No problem, lumina.. Happens!

[Ava]

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[lumina]

Ava

aren`t all relationships unique in their own way?

Well yes, for my best friend and her husband what is definitely unique about them is that they are having 5 children, when the average German couple has 1,2 children or so. lol
They are also both Latin-teachers, that is pretty out of the ordinary as well. Their relationship is pretty much "traditional" though.

As for P and his wife, hmm, I don´t know, yes unique in that of course there is a bit of publicity involved, a creative/artistic circle. But he`s just not like a celebrity to me. He isn´t even celelbrity like as Lancelot for example, maybe that is the most unique thing about him. lol
Also maybe it is difficult for me to grasp that celebrity-status and seeing it as unique, because in some way it resembles my own life so much. Not that I am a celebrity, and I am working in a different field (and rarely get applause, though it happens sometimes. lol, I once had a class giving me standing ovations when I was reading a poem aloud. LOL but of course things like this just happen once a decade or so in my job).
But I am just so used being aware that I am in the public eye, even if I am not always aware of who is watching me when. But of course my pupils know about my facebook profile and they do know my instagram. And I am usually recognized when I am moving about here in the neighbouring cities/ towns. Not by everyone of course, but I sort of gotten used to some whispers when I pass by, knowing that someone recognized me, and is telling someone else. Sometimes my presence alone is enough for making pupils to behave a little better out at the busstation (I`ve overheard more than one hiss to a friend like that: "Stop doing that! This is my Latin teacher over there!" LOL)

I suppose I am just too used myself to the public eye, in a different way, surely, so the unique factor of it eludes me. It is just another area of life/ work people move in (for example I have no idea how it feels to be a farmer and move in those circles).


But yes maybe you are right and that IS extraordinary.


In the case of my friend and her husband her Draco Sun is conjunct his tropical Moon (and mine), which I really really like. He certainly is an unique person, for example being a genius. I mean it, his intelligence is just out of this world.

He also stems from a family with many children, and his parents at least for some time had an open marriage, but he himself always wanted the traditional relationship/ marriage, which maybe was out of the ordinary for him and his original family, as his parents at times chose a different lifestyle (they returned back to the conventional marriage thing though).