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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 14, 2018 2:02:39 GMT
Hi everyone,
Just realized we don't have a thread for this. Feels like we've been talking about this for years, so it's odd that we don't. There's not a whole lot of information, so we only have our experiences (and hunches) to guide us.
When you see your natal-to-draco chart comparison, what do you think? Do any aspects jump out at you? Is there an "aha" moment?
I see draconic-to-natal aspects as 'missing links' in that they bring out parts of ourselves that are not obvious in the natal chart alone. Assuming the draconic chart is your inner self, that has incarnated (or chosen to incarnate) as your natal in this lifetime, it makes sense that parts of it would "spill out" into your life, here and now.
The synthesis of these two, would point to elements of yourself that are fused together, or interacting in any way. Your inner voice (moon/mercury) might be reflected in your actions (mars).
You ever look at your natal chart and think, "Hmm... I would've thought I'd (also) see <blah> here"?
Imagine if you go over to your natal-draco comparison chart, and find those aspects there.
Probably not as loud and obvious as your natal aspects. Perhaps an undercurrent?
Now, I dunno if this holds water. Just my experience of it, which might be coloured by my natal chart and nodal axis.
What do you guys see? And how do you interpret that?
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 14, 2018 2:10:06 GMT
Let me start off with some of mine.
Off the top of my head, I have:
dr Sun, Merc, Mars conj n Neptune/NN dr Sun conj n Uranus dr Chiron conj n Sun
dr Venus/Jupiter conj n Pluto dr MC conj n Moon/Asc dr Venus/Jupiter square n Moon/Asc
dr Sun trine n Venus/Jupiter
dr Moon trine n Uranus/Neptune
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Post by lumina on Sept 14, 2018 6:20:30 GMT
I don`t have that many Draco-tropical links really.
Draco Moon conjuncts my DESC exact and my SN by 3 degrees
Draco Uranus widely conjuncts Moon (4 degrees)
Draco Juno opposes Venus exact
but that`s it basically.
However in my case the signbackgrounds make sense, as they reflect my tropical planets associated with my NN.
I have Mars and Neptune conjunct NN, and in Draco I have Sun, Mercury and Venus in Aries, and Mars-Neptune-ASC in Pisces. the natal NN dispositor in 3rd house is possibly reflected by Draco Gemini-Moon, and also on the SN.
when starting with astrology I would have expected to see Pisces-planets (I scored on any sign-test as major Pisces. lol), but there ws just Jupiter there, I only later realized that "only Jupiter" is disposing like most of my whole chart. lol
And Draco planets in Pisces, though not conjunct Jupiter.
Another thing that I find interesting is that both my Draco Sun-Mercury and Draco Venus are around tropical Chiron, 5 degrees each, roundabout, a bit wide for a conjunction, but the Sun/Venus and Mercury/Venus-mp falling onto tropical Chiron exact.
EDIT
BTW while focusing on conjunctions (and oppositions sometimes) I`ve also come to take squares (esp. exact squares) more closely into consideration. Just because if these squares to the nodal axis in the tropical chart are indicative of "skipped steps" they probably have their meaning int he Draco chart as well.
in this instance in my chart
Draco Sun-Mercury square tropical Saturn (1-2 degrees)
Draco Moon square tropical Pholus exact
Draco Mars square tropical Sun-Mercury exact
Draco ASC square tropical Sun-Mercury (1 degree)
Draco Juno square tropical MC (1 degree) and tropical Pluto (3 degrees)
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Post by anela on Sept 14, 2018 10:46:41 GMT
I can't remember much about mine. Aries planets move to Leo, Mars moves to Cancer, ascendant moves to Pisces. Moon/Venus moved to Virgo, conjunct the Moon of my best online friend (T- although I haven't heard from her for months, so I hope she's okay).
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Post by anela on Sept 14, 2018 11:29:04 GMT
Looking at it now.
Sun at 22 Leo, is trine my Mercury, Ceres, Chiron, Sun in the natal Aries. Also conjunct natal Eros by three degrees.
Mars in Cancer, trine natal Mars, conjunct natal karma.
Mercury trine natal Mercury, conjunct natal MC.
Moon/Venus at 28/29 Virgo, trine my natal Moon/Venus.
Jupiter trine natal Jupiter. Sextile natal Pluto, instead of opposing it (natal aspect there).
Saturn 11 Scorpio, natal first house, trine natal Saturn in Cancer. Conjunct natal Sun/Moon and Sun/Venus midpoint. Also where transiting Venus will station retrograde...
Uranus 29 Aqua. Conjunct natal Mars, square natal Moon/Venus/Nodes. Trine natal Uranus/ascendant.
Naptune 10 Aries. Trine natal neptune, square natal Saturn. Conjunct natal Jupiter in Aries.
Pluto 6 Aqua. Trine natal Pluto, sextile natal Aries. In natal 4th house.
Vertex 5 libra, conjunct natal Pluto. Opposing natal Jupiter.
Lilith 6 Cancer.
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Post by anela on Sept 14, 2018 11:54:33 GMT
when starting with astrology I would have expected to see Pisces-planets (I scored on any sign-test as major Pisces. lol), but there ws just Jupiter there, I only later realized that "only Jupiter" is disposing like most of my whole chart. lol LOL  K, I am having trouble waking up fully this morning, so I'm just posting this, my rectified chart... Yeah  I was thinking that connections between mine were mostly positive, too, except that I still have Chiron conjunct the Sun, no matter which chart you choose. Then I see Uranus conjunct Mars (natal) square natal moon/Venus, see Saturn, and feel... ugh. Part of me feels like Saturn on Sun/moon and Sun/Venus midpoint, would be Eeyore personified, but I've actually come across a lot of perky, or positive, Cappies. So maybe it's just depression talking. |
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Post by anela on Sept 14, 2018 11:55:16 GMT
I've just seen that I listed Neptune as "NAPtune", LOL. I really do need more sleep.
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Post by Ava on Sept 14, 2018 12:11:10 GMT
dr Sun, Merc, Mars conj n Neptune/NN
dr Sun conj n Uranus dr Chiron conj n Sun
dr Venus/Jupiter conj n Pluto dr MC conj n Moon/Asc dr Venus/Jupiter square n Moon/Asc
dr Sun trine n Venus/Jupiter
dr Moon trine n Uranus/Neptune
"dr Sun, Merc, Mars conj n Neptune/NN dr Sun conj n Uranus" I love all that, especially since it's on my sun, and so obvious to me. But damn, how did I forget your draconic Chiron is on your sun? Venus/Jupiter on Pluto and the angle-moon alignments.....fascinating. |
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 14, 2018 13:17:42 GMT
And Draco planets in Pisces, though not conjunct Jupiter. Makes sense, you do have Mars-Neptune-Asc. A strong Neptune-Jupiter signature in your natal, because of all the Sag and angular Neptune.
After all, Jupiter was the traditional ruler of Pisces, right?
Like your draco Pisces planets, I have a draco Cap stellium.All my planets squared by Saturn in natal, are in Capricorn in draco. My friend has Sun conjunct Venus natally, and her Draco sun-venus is in Libra.
A guy with Sun conjunct Jupiter, has draco Sun in Sag.
However, someone I know with Sun square Jupiter has draco Sun in Cancer - his natal sun might be tightly sextile Cancer moon, depending on ToB. It has other aspects too, which are equally close.
I am not sure how this aspect-sign influence is translated in draco, but it is an interesting pattern.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 14, 2018 13:25:32 GMT
I was thinking that connections between mine were mostly positive, too, except that I still have Chiron conjunct the Sun, no matter which chart you choose. Then I see Uranus conjunct Mars (natal) square natal moon/Venus, see Saturn, and feel... ugh. Part of me feels like Saturn on Sun/moon and Sun/Venus midpoint, would be Eeyore personified, but I've actually come across a lot of perky, or positive, Cappies. So maybe it's just depression talking. Saturn on the luminaries can definitely appear like that. Saturn-Sun might be more Squidward than Eeyore, lol (at least that's how I feel it). But clinically depressed people won't always *look* like Eeyore. |
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Sept 14, 2018 13:33:54 GMT
Venus ruling my draconic sun.... Oh my gosh I should just live in pink fluffy clouds forever! Then there's like...........Saturn. More Saturn. Chiron conjunct draco Neptune (sad) and draco Uranus on my moon (upheavals). Yeah, the Moon-Saturn and Moon-Uranus are definitely prominent. Moon-Saturn -- emotional discipline/difficulty, acting as 'Saturn' to one's own feelings, feeling like they need to be tamped down, censored(?) Moon-Uranus - needing emotional independence, freedom to explore your feelings, not necessarily act on them, but having an intellectual sort of freedom. Exploring the 'what-if's objectively and thoroughly(?) Also, Moon-Uranus also relates to developing one's own unusual, original brand of nurturing (both self and others). Typically different from the one they grew up with (like the alternative healing/food philosophy). If this were in the natal chart (moon-Uranus), one's mother might have played the role of "unusual nurturer". But since it's draco-natal, it feels (to me) like something *you* are manifesting or channeling. |
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Post by anela on Sept 14, 2018 15:08:02 GMT
Then I see Uranus conjunct Mars (natal) square natal moon/Venus, see Saturn, and feel... ugh. Part of me feels like Saturn on Sun/moon and Sun/Venus midpoint, would be Eeyore personified, but I've actually come across a lot of perky, or positive, Cappies. So maybe it's just depression talking. Whoops - anela, if it's not inconvenient, please unquote my chart? I think Saturn energy by itself, just sitting there, can be a lot heavier than the Cap sun energy, because at least that's the sun shining....Caps can be happy in some moments because there is energy to deal with Saturn and lighten the pressure. But Saturn sitting on a more passive planet like the moon, seems to just dull the vibes or introduce bad luck. Might be like Eeyore. Someone once said that I seem miserable, even after I was engaging pleasantly with them, and feeling like my Leo rising self. "Miserable" ?! But okay. I guess my draco moon conjunct natal Saturn might explain that. And I didn't like that person so she can just bask in my miserable side all she wants. Mars-Uranus is one of the most difficult energies I think. It's gone from my post now. I don't think you're miserable. I think you're thoughtful, and honest about anything that's making you sad. You occasionally get angry, which anyone does. I just feel consistently dull, sad, blah. Disconnected. I try to be thoughtful, like I used to be. Try to cheer up, etc. But I don't have nearly so much patience, and I feel like people just want me to be different. I'm having trouble caring about much of anything. I think my trust has been overrun one too many times. Trust in people, and in good things. I might just be PMS'ing, too. I'm curious about my sister's draconic chart. I wonder how she can flip to being so cruel. I don't understand how anyone can be that *mean*. I'm honest about how I feel, I'm not deliberately cruel. She is. the things she's said and done before... and I'm the one who always got the brunt of it. I really don't matter to her, not one little bit. |
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Post by anela on Sept 14, 2018 15:12:41 GMT
I feel like my mum messes with things that I'm looking for. I look where it's supposed to be, don't find it, so I look everywhere else. I get really frustrated, call dad, annoyed, asking if he threw it away, and then find it where it was supposed to be in the first place.
The alarm on my phone went off when it wasn't set, after I typed into google, "Where are you mum?" two years ago. It was like, "I'm right here."
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Post by Ava on Sept 15, 2018 2:30:09 GMT
The alarm on my phone went off when it wasn't set, after I typed into google, "Where are you mum?" two years ago. It was like, "I'm right here." ❤️ |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2018 13:43:15 GMT
I had a look at my natal to draco comparison. Its not just planetary aspects that jump out to me its also house overlays - even if they are not full of planets. One thought that has come to my mind is with house overlays Natal shows the type of events, but the draco shows the area it happens mainly affects/has biggest impacts or vice versa. If draco is calculated using the nodes, and the nodes are the direction wouldn't the draco also be showing the "path" so to speak. Just a thought. I have a couple of examples from my own, some I dont feel 100% comfortable sharing just yet. Need to look more into it though.
If you saw a certain house/planet overlay between your natal and draco(eg 8th house on 10th) would you say 8th house matters affected your 10th house most?
Pls dont quote
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Post by Ava on Oct 19, 2018 15:56:09 GMT
So interesting vg. I hadn't given that any thought, really....except that my draco sun falls in my natal 10H, echoing the fact that I'm a Cap sun. Trying to answer your question, or explore it... Draco 3H Pluto in Aquarius falls into my natal 7H and it's true that my married life has been intense, and I've tried to speak of this honestly, in an effort to universalize it (Aqua), but draconic Pluto's presence there does seem to symbolize all that's unspoken between myself and my husband. Meanwhile, natal 3H Pluto falls into my draco 10th house. So again...it's rather complex, to go public with one's secretive nature. I guess it matches the fact that I'm here anonymously, sharing both everything and nothing. |
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Post by FruityLlama on Oct 21, 2018 17:41:18 GMT
 My dr. Jupiter to n. Sun and Moon is interesting as it also opposes my natal NN. This, along with dr. ASC in Sag was the first aha moment for me looking at these charts as I always wondered why my natal chart didn't have more Sag or Jupiter in it! Will be back to add. |
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Post by Ava on Oct 22, 2018 12:11:52 GMT
That's interesting FruityLlama. I'm also a draco Sag ASC. Trying to think of what stands out for me about my natal-draco comparison chart...much of it is either reiteration (like Gemini Mars conjunct draco Mercury) or total perplexity (why is my draco sun @ 25 Taurus? I don't really grasp all the significance of that yet.) |
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Post by FruityLlama on Oct 22, 2018 16:48:51 GMT
I can't even find patterns like that in my charts, apart from maybe dr. Sun and Moon in my natal 4th house, which emphasises my Cancer ASC traits...perhaps?? Its a riddle for sure. I guess the dr. Libra sun is just a mirror for Taurus in my chart, and the fact that my immediate family either have sun or ASC in Libra or Sag (my dad is a Sag, suspected Libra or Taurus rising, Cancer Moon). But that seems incredibly basic. Have also just realised that natal Jupiter conjuncts dr. ASC! Maybe I am a Sag in disguise ^_^ And woohoo for dr.Sag ASC!! |
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Post by lumina on Oct 22, 2018 19:18:57 GMT
I just find it SOO funny that my DRaconic sign background is mirroring the planets conjunct my North Node. I have Mars and Neptune conjunct my North Node, and in DRaco I have Mars, Neptune and ASC in Pisces; and Sun, Mercury and Venus in Aries. It`s just hilarious. I know I mentioned it before, but it is still hilarious.  I am also intrigued with DRaco Moon exact conjunct my tropical DESC, I am not sure what it means, but it seems important. |
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