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Post by Ava on Jul 9, 2018 13:49:16 GMT
Data & observations Starting with..... 2°32 Scorpio Rx - Justin Bieber's natal Juno 2°31 Taurus, transiting Juno when he got engaged (noon chart, Saturday) 2°09 Taurus, transiting Uranus then 1°35 Taurus, Hailey Baldwin's noon chart moon 4°42 Aries, Bieber's progressed sun 5°52 Aries, her natal Juno 6°49 Aries, her natal SN 6°04 Leo, transiting NN @ engagement 29°20 Libra Rx, his progressed Juno 29°40 Libra, her natal Venus 28°32 Libra, her progressed Chiron Composite w/ transits - angles and moon reflect her noon time chart: Upcoming eclipse right on their composite sun-Juno. Wow.
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Post by Ava on Dec 27, 2018 21:48:41 GMT
^ Transits for their wedding Some more details: - Liam's Juno is conjunct Pluto @ 16-17 Scorpio (conjunct tr Venus @ 15 Scorpio + tr draco Neptune @ 17 Scorpio)....widely trine Miley's Juno @ 12 Cancer - Interesting that their draconic suns are conjunct: 10 Pisces, Miley's draconic sun 8 Pisces, composite draconic sun 7 Pisces, Miley's draconic DSC 6 Pisces, Liam's draconic sun Early Pisces, transiting draconic moon, opp 4 Virgo tr draco sun --- 27 Pisces, transiting Chiron 25 Pisces, draco composite Neptune 25 Scorpio, draco composite Juno 26 Scorpio, Miley's moon 27 Scorpio, tr draco Mars 27 Cancer, Miley's Mars 26 Cancer, tr NN --- Fitting in with the MC stellium you see in the chart above: 23 Cap, transiting draconic Juno 22 Cap, Liam's natal sun 21 Cap, Liam's pr Venus 20 Cap, Liam's pr Saturn Hope they last.
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Post by lumina on Dec 28, 2018 10:21:46 GMT
Ava didn`t they last already for 10 years? So maybe it is a good sign.
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Post by lumina on Dec 28, 2018 10:39:31 GMT
that Moon-Mars conjunction, well they will trigger strong emotions in each other, for better or for worse.
Transitwise this seems like an extremely important time for them.
Just from first glance (Oh and I love their Draco Sun conjunction of course)
- Tr Uranus square c-Saturn - Tr Saturn-Pluto heading towards their c-Venus-NN this looks like a "Make-or-break"-situation to me, well as it seems they chose a more public commitment, which is also fitting for esp. Tr Saturn on their composite Venus-NN (and Pluto indicating the transformation of their relationship, which can be a statuschange of course, like marriage always is)
- Tr Chiron finally separating from the square to their composite Sun (hey P and me had the same transit, I just realize. lol) anyway for them it might mean that their relationship has been tested if it is strong enough to allow being shifted to a different level, which would of course involve bringing up some vulnerabilities, though maybe not so much as it is about their c-Sun not their c-Chiron here. But still Chiron is a teacher, and he wants people to come out of their comfortzone, no matter how awkward that might feel, but I think ultimately there might be a sense of relief for them now that he stops testing them and coaxing them to grow like that (it might be a profound growthexperience, but that does not mean it is really easy or even fun)
- Unfortunately Tr Jupiter is not doing anything right there, or not much at least, I would have liked to see him active for a wedding in particular, for two reasons, bringing a feeling of expansion and meaning into it and also the 9th house (and therefore Jupiter) was traditionally seen as the marriage-house, where it became official, a social reality, as it always has to do with a statuschange (that would involve of course the MC) as well as the law.
- also I do not like Tr Neptune opposing their composite Juno at the time of marriage; in the worst case it might mean that the marriage was made for wrong reasons, being overly romantic about it, not seeing things for what they are, maybe glossing over existing problems, wanting the fairy tale so much when the reality might not be just as fairy tale like or someone deluding either themselves or the other party; if it is a smoother manifestation it might simply mean that both parties are a little over the top romanticizing the union at the moment and will wake up from that state eventually realizing that things might not be as they thought they would be; this in itself does not have to be a problem, if the union is a solid one, as it seems to be in this case. Just a certain feel of disillusion might set in later (if it is really going bad, then that Neptune transit can be a sign of a slow erosion and dissolution of the commitment - but usually Neptune works slowly, it can take years until one party wakes up seeing that thsi wasn`t what they really wanted, but I think that is only the most negative scenario, and maybe here it will be just a short pinch of. Wow, this is different than I thought it would be..... I mean every transit passes eventually, honestly speaking I would be more concerned if there was a Neptune square or opposition to personal planets or Juno in the wedding chart itself that also hits the composite or the natal charts)
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Dec 28, 2018 15:01:31 GMT
^ Yeah tr Neptune doesn't seem to bode well. But I'm hoping they're past all the disillusionment (having been together for so long). That and the fact that it's not on any of their personal planets at this time might balance it out.
What's with the 1990 Cappies getting married this year? Is there any astrological reason? Kaley Cuoco's husband is also one (25th Dec, 1990).
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Dec 28, 2018 17:40:11 GMT
Kaley Cuoco & Karl Cook:
Kaley's Juno: 19° Scorpio Karl's Pluto: 19° Scorpio Karl's Juno : 23° Sag -- not conjunct, but in the same sign as her Sun.
At the time of their weddng(30th June, 2018):
Karl's pr Juno: 3° Cap (same degree has his natal Sun)
Kaley's pr Venus: 7° Cap Kaley's Pr Juno: 29° Scorpio (on the verge of changing signs), moving into conjunction with natal Saturn (1° Sag). Karl's Pr Mars: 0° Gem ^ opposing that pr Juno - n Saturn
Those are the highlights, haven't had the head space to look at charts more closely. Pretty sure there's more. Will get back to them later.
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Post by Ava on Dec 28, 2018 18:08:39 GMT
Ava didn`t they last already for 10 years? So maybe it is a good sign. Yes but it's Hollywood. But they do seem pretty rugged, having survived one dramatic breakup before. Good thing they broke up or we'd never have the song "Wrecking Ball." And what kind of world would this be then? I meant to record this yesterday: 25 Sag, Miley's pr DSC 27 Sag, composite sun w/ noon chart for Liam 28 Sag, Miley's pr sun
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Post by Ava on Dec 28, 2018 18:15:28 GMT
What's with the 1990 Cappies getting married this year? Is there any astrological reason? Saturn return? I love that their names match. Also, so far all the celebrity women mentioned on this thread are first decan Sags. Maybe tr Saturn going through Sag had a lingering, sobering effect, giving them a taste for Cap men (Miley, Kaley) or Cap relationships (Hailey...comp w/ Beiber has Cap stellium including sun). Just a thought.
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Post by Ava on Dec 28, 2018 19:01:05 GMT
Thanks for your analysis, lumina . Always illuminating (as fitting for your name ). - Unfortunately Tr Jupiter is not doing anything right there, or not much at least, I would have liked to see him active for a wedding in particular, for two reasons, bringing a feeling of expansion and meaning into it and also the 9th house (and therefore Jupiter) was traditionally seen as the marriage-house, where it became official, a social reality, as it always has to do with a statuschange (that would involve of course the MC) as well as the law. This reminds me, I really should've posted the synastry. I just dislike front-loading a topic with charts, if I can help it. Because I tend to comment too much and then even I lose interest when I revisit the thread and try to re-trace my own steps. So, tr sun @ 1 Cap (conjunct Liam's draco Pluto-Juno @ 0 Cap) opp Liam's Jupiter @ 3 Cancer. They have Jupiter square Jupiter synastry as you see, so tr sun t-squaring both, more or less (hers @ 8 Libra). Her draco Jupiter @ 17 Cap, on her Neptune, his Saturn, comp NN. also I do not like Tr Neptune opposing their composite Juno at the time of marriage I don't either, and I think you said it all......but they are both Neptunians with those draco suns in Pisces, and this could show how the establishment of marriage (as in institution) might go against their grain....as if they are aware that they are not your typical married couple, and the transits align with their feelings on marriage (perhaps). I think she came out as pansexual after they were already engaged a second time, plus she recently said that she's gotten into smoking pot...not your traditional bride. Also, the wedding pictures released are far from your typical celebrity wedding photos...many are blurry, definitely not professional, and her mother's in jeans, and it is sort of like what you'd expect a transiting Juno-Neptune opposition to look like. Yet the composite has Neptune trine Juno...my composite with my husband has the same, and we've lasted. Maybe it helps infuse the marriage with a positive sense of idealism, like, "It will keep getting better" because certain dreams do align and start coming true. In my case for example, I always wanted to live in the country, and that came true because of my marriage. Always wanted to be an astrologer and the way my marriage works, I've had free time to invest in these studies. Just speaking off the top of my head...some possible ideas for Juno-Neptune interpretation (in water signs in our composite case....sailing was another dream we did accomplish). But our Juno and Neptune are in a kite formation, so that Chiron, Uranus, and Pluto are all hitting the Juno/Neptune midpoint.
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Post by 12YearsABlob on Dec 29, 2018 22:24:50 GMT
Also, so far all the celebrity women mentioned on this thread are first decan Sags. Maybe tr Saturn going through Sag had a lingering, sobering effect, giving them a taste for Cap men (Miley, Kaley) or Cap relationships (Hailey...comp w/ Beiber has Cap stellium including sun). Just a thought. Another 1st decan Sag girl (30th Nov) I know got married the other day.
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